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Exactly. IMO Button is a better all round package than Hamilton. IMO Hamilton from time to time still makes mistakes a driver with a few seasons under his belt shouldn't be making.
Chinese Grand Prix 2011, Shanghai International Circuit - Race 3/19
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Exactly. IMO Button is a better all round package than Hamilton. IMO Hamilton from time to time still makes mistakes a driver with a few seasons under his belt shouldn't be making.
Hmmm...
So Hamilton outperforms Button over the course of the full season last year (Button: 214 pts, Hamilton: 240 pts)...yet, Button is a better all-round package?
The best all-round package is the driver who scores the most points during the course of the season. The statistics (from last year) show that Button is not the better all-round package.
So Hamilton outperforms Button over the course of the full season last year (Button: 214 pts, Hamilton: 240 pts)...yet, Button is a better all-round package?
The best all-round package is the driver who scores the most points during the course of the season. The statistics (from last year) show that Button is not the better all-round package.
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you forget however, that button had two dnfs that were not due to driver error, whereas hamilton's dnfs were due to him being overly aggressive when he should have been a little more cautious.. so all in all, I would say that they are pretty even..
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^ Exactly.
Whitmarsh: I'd like to keep JB and LH for at least another 5 years
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=43357
Sounds good for Button. Looks like he could see out the rest of his career at McLaren.
Whitmarsh: I'd like to keep JB and LH for at least another 5 years
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=43357
Sounds good for Button. Looks like he could see out the rest of his career at McLaren.
If last weekend is anything to go by - they are even equal in this now (around the 1st and 2nd corners I believe they were level, it was just the electric starting Renault which caught them both)
I would agree in general though
When it was widely thought that Button would be thrashed in a new team and car, developed mainly for his team mate, and yet there was 10% difference after 19 races. imo that doesnt look good for Hamilton at all (considering how good he is meant to be, and how much of a journeyman most think JB to be)
Thats without the Spa wipeout thanks to Vettel - which left LH to claim a victory unhindered.
Believe it or not stats dont show everything
Nice fluff piece but doesnt really mean much (JB signed a 4 year contract last winter I seem to recall - which Im sure McLaren could pay off if they wanted to without batting an eyelid)
I hope JB stays in a top team for a few more years - but Im naturally suspicious of these kinds of articles lol
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Don't forget the blanking panel that they left in which took him out of Monaco too. Those two races could make all the difference assuming Hamilton didn't have any misfortune not caused by himself (can't remember right now).
I'd say they were two very different drivers who are pretty much on an even balance of each other. Could be dangerous if they were both contending for the WDC towards the end of the season, but that's what we need to see!
I'm pretty worried about this race tbh, if seb gets himself another spanker of a lap to slap the car back in pole position I reckon the long straight is just going to see him pull away from the rest of the grid by miles pumping KERS at the straights start to get full speed quicker.... buttt I guess this is where DRS should really stop that, we'll see!
What amazes me is that everybody could see that the flexible wings were flexing and certainly giving RBR a performance advantage. Yet, not a single team has so far replicated them successfully. They've had approximately 9 months so far, to do this...yet they sat on their laurels.
McLaren for example, spent a lot of time/effort developing their octopus exhaust system which failed spectacularly and they have now shelved.
As for Vettel - judging by your signature...are you not a RBR fan? I would've thought you'd be loving the humiliation which RBR are currently dishing out to the other teams?
McLaren for example, spent a lot of time/effort developing their octopus exhaust system which failed spectacularly and they have now shelved.
As for Vettel - judging by your signature...are you not a RBR fan? I would've thought you'd be loving the humiliation which RBR are currently dishing out to the other teams?
I have to admit like a lot of other people I have no outright favourite, the signature was more towards my want for Webber to clinch the title last year, we all know how that worked out
I'd rather the sport be more even, we're almost at a point where Vettel is threatening to become the next MS, win after win! it needs more variation but without taking anything away from the lad, he's an awesome driver... but the car is equally awesome.
everyone assumes they wouldnt pass the tests this season or they would be banned.
ferrari said they are now working towards it, someone else i think ross brawn said they know how its done.
scarbs has also came out with
maybe thats really where the pace in the RB is
Yeah...some 9 months after it was shown on youtube, that the wing is flexing like mad.
Assuming Brawn said this...if they know how it's done, why haven't they got it on their cars?
Its easy to say, "we know how to do this" and its a completely different story physically testing/developing/making the part.
Teams were very quick in 2009 to copy the Brawn rear diffuser.
They were quick to copy McLaren's F-Duct in 2010.
But for some reason, the flexi-wings have got teams stumped.
I'd love to see Vettel and Hamilton in the same team, I think Vettel would edge it if they had the best car, Hamilton if they needed to battle through the pack more.
On an open track (time trialling), Vettel is from the drawer and could certainly compete with Alonso and Hamilton. Add some traffic though and while I can see Hamilton and Alonso move through the field, I can see Vettel getting stuck behind someone slow and not moving forward.
I think Hamilton/Alonso's best chance of a win is to qualify on pole. In other-words, create a setup which is completely biased towards giving them the fastest lap time in qualifying (on fresh/soft tyres). Once in the race, make Vettel work hard for the overtake. They have more of a chance of beating him this way, as opposed to doing what they have done in the last 2 races.
Hamilton and Alonso are allowing Vettel to time trial his way through the race and if they continue to allow this, Vettel (reliability and performance advantage permitting), will probably win every race this season.
Get in front of Vettel and then make him work for the overtake. Change you strategy, rather than sticking to the same (losing) strategy, which Vettel is expecting and prepared for.
What I liked in the last race was the fact that Button was putting Vettel under pressure. He was the only guy who was making an attempt to take the fight to Vettel....and its not often that this happens. I wish he would do this more often, rather than sticking to this normal boring/dull strategy of "I will hold my current position till the end of the race and take no risk to overtake the guy in front".
I think Hamilton/Alonso's best chance of a win is to qualify on pole. In other-words, create a setup which is completely biased towards giving them the fastest lap time in qualifying (on fresh/soft tyres). Once in the race, make Vettel work hard for the overtake. They have more of a chance of beating him this way, as opposed to doing what they have done in the last 2 races.
Hamilton and Alonso are allowing Vettel to time trial his way through the race and if they continue to allow this, Vettel (reliability and performance advantage permitting), will probably win every race this season.
Get in front of Vettel and then make him work for the overtake. Change you strategy, rather than sticking to the same (losing) strategy, which Vettel is expecting and prepared for.
What I liked in the last race was the fact that Button was putting Vettel under pressure. He was the only guy who was making an attempt to take the fight to Vettel....and its not often that this happens. I wish he would do this more often, rather than sticking to this normal boring/dull strategy of "I will hold my current position till the end of the race and take no risk to overtake the guy in front".
I'd love to see Alonso and Hamilton in the same team. There will be a lot more fireworks between those 2, than with Vettel.
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lol, I don't think it is quite as simple as you make out.
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I'm watching some of the Classic F1 on one of the BBC Freeview channels.
Two things come to mind. A) Politics in F1 was just as poisonous back then (1989 - Suzuka). Maybe more so... B) Those 2008 F1 cars were unspeakably ugly.
Two things come to mind. A) Politics in F1 was just as poisonous back then (1989 - Suzuka). Maybe more so... B) Those 2008 F1 cars were unspeakably ugly.
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I'd like to see Kobayashi in the next McLaren.
Cant remember exactly what gave me this impression last weekend re flexible front wing, but I think it was hinted at the depths to which you have to develope the car to make the flexi front wing work may well scrap a lot of work other teams have done in the imtervening period (on different aspects of the car)
ie changimg the rake of the Ferrari /McLaren etc would mean a massive change and isnt a simple solution, and wasnt it suggested in commentary somehow that the rake/ ffw causes a few Kers issues itself
Right now ffw is faster, but this hopefully wont be the case throughout the season
ie changimg the rake of the Ferrari /McLaren etc would mean a massive change and isnt a simple solution, and wasnt it suggested in commentary somehow that the rake/ ffw causes a few Kers issues itself
Right now ffw is faster, but this hopefully wont be the case throughout the season