Caporegime
Errrr, I may have a very slightly geeky lap chart....
was gonna say
I was too busy enjoying the race to memorise what tyre options people took in the pits !
Chinese Grand Prix 2011, Shanghai International Circuit - Race 3/19
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was gonna say
I was too busy enjoying the race to memorise what tyre options people took in the pits !
I do also have quite a good memory too for little things like that. My lap charts go back a few years, almost a force of habit by now.
Soldato
I reckon Vettel has pictures of Hammy on his bedroom wall!
Caporegime
on his dartboard you mean !
Soldato
jizz board...
stares at him like he's stripping him lol
stares at him like he's stripping him lol
It was fairly obvious
Mark started on the primes, and he had 3 sets of new options available because he went out in Q1. So the rest of the stops would all be for new softs.
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Yeah but despite quali/strategy fail, dodgy kers, redbull still finished 2 and 3.YES! YES! YES!
That was a brilliant race, Hamilton and Webber were utterly awesome. Anyone who said this was going to be a snorefest should hang their heads in shame.
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Button, hahahahaha, though it crossed my mind it was a brilliant and sneaky tactic to slow up Vettel, though if that was the plan he screwed that up aswell.
Hamilton, don't like them going on and on about his fresh tyres making the difference, the first 3 sets of tyres being softs made no difference, everyone else on the same strategy had the same amount of tyres, and everyone had fresh hard tyres. He didn't get a chance to make his "fresher" soft tyres work for him, behind people, unable to go more laps, and the hard tyres he was simply faster by a mile than Button with.
Hamilton SHOULD have won that race with a far larger gap. Frankly because he did indeed have fresher softs he should have been able to go a lap or two earlier for the pit stops as his softs should go a couple laps further, meaning come in 2 laps earlier, do two extra 2 second faster laps and be miles out ahead. Instead with "better" fresher tyres that could go further he was always in after Button.
NO idea why but Hamilton was awful in the corner before the DRS straight, so barely used his DRS effectively in the race at all which is why, none iirc, of his overtakes came under DRS. I think if someone told him to follow anyone elses line through that corner he'd have also been further ahead as for instance behind Rosberg he would gain all lap and be miles behind at the start of the DRS straight.
Vettel, would he have easily, really easily romped home to a win if he'd gone 3 stops..... probably.
Shame, Coulthard/Brundle were pratting on about a great exciting race, but all the overtaking(important overtaking) was who is on what tyres, who pitted first, same tyres, same pit stops it was just following around unable to do anything for most of the race. Better than no overtaking but really its yet again 98% about strategy and tyres and not much about real race pace of cars. It doesn't matter how fast Red Bull are(to a degree) if the tyres need to go 12 laps without dying the car can only go so fast.
Good for Hamilton though, great for the team to get the car to the grid on time. Hamilton being a supreme overtaker won him that race vs Button being a big girl. Button unable to get past Rosberg then Massa cost him probably 2nd place, definately cost him 3rd.
Hamilton, don't like them going on and on about his fresh tyres making the difference, the first 3 sets of tyres being softs made no difference, everyone else on the same strategy had the same amount of tyres, and everyone had fresh hard tyres. He didn't get a chance to make his "fresher" soft tyres work for him, behind people, unable to go more laps, and the hard tyres he was simply faster by a mile than Button with.
Hamilton SHOULD have won that race with a far larger gap. Frankly because he did indeed have fresher softs he should have been able to go a lap or two earlier for the pit stops as his softs should go a couple laps further, meaning come in 2 laps earlier, do two extra 2 second faster laps and be miles out ahead. Instead with "better" fresher tyres that could go further he was always in after Button.
NO idea why but Hamilton was awful in the corner before the DRS straight, so barely used his DRS effectively in the race at all which is why, none iirc, of his overtakes came under DRS. I think if someone told him to follow anyone elses line through that corner he'd have also been further ahead as for instance behind Rosberg he would gain all lap and be miles behind at the start of the DRS straight.
Vettel, would he have easily, really easily romped home to a win if he'd gone 3 stops..... probably.
Shame, Coulthard/Brundle were pratting on about a great exciting race, but all the overtaking(important overtaking) was who is on what tyres, who pitted first, same tyres, same pit stops it was just following around unable to do anything for most of the race. Better than no overtaking but really its yet again 98% about strategy and tyres and not much about real race pace of cars. It doesn't matter how fast Red Bull are(to a degree) if the tyres need to go 12 laps without dying the car can only go so fast.
Good for Hamilton though, great for the team to get the car to the grid on time. Hamilton being a supreme overtaker won him that race vs Button being a big girl. Button unable to get past Rosberg then Massa cost him probably 2nd place, definately cost him 3rd.
Soldato
Damned straight. They've even managed to make a dry-weather race at this track actually exciting. Top stuff
Driver of the day has to be a toss-up between Hamilton and Webber. Webber did really well to come through the field, the strategy call forced on them from qualifying worked perfectly (though it looked pretty bad in his first stint!). KERS issues yet again (they need to either sort that, or pull it completely out of the car), but still able to get around others when he needed to. Hamilton....pretty much perfection. Nothing else you can say, really.
It's a shame that the Merc is a bit of a dog, because they made the perfect call early on that got Rosberg out into the lead for a while. I can't help but wonder what Nico and Michael could do if they had a car that was actually any good.
Alonso....a few moments aside, that was a pretty ordinary race from him. Massa had the edge right from the off. People were wondering how long Lewis would stay at McLaren if the car didn't improve....how long d'you think Alonso will be content to sit in a Ferrari that just isn't fully competitive? Felipe can't be too happy about things there either. Time for the Scuderia to take a good, long look at what happened to them at the start of this season and fix it. Fast.
Terrific race, Hamilton easily the driver of the day. Nice to see Vettel having to do some work as well early on.
Wouldn't heap as much adulation as the commentators on Webber tho. He kind of had it easy - Vettel ultimately did a better job.
Wouldn't heap as much adulation as the commentators on Webber tho. He kind of had it easy - Vettel ultimately did a better job.
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Webber had the right strategy:
Qualifying - do 1 lap in Q1 to get you within 107% then keep all your tyres for the race.
Good win for Lewis but Jenson dropping to 4th means a disappointing result for the team.
If RBR had gone with the same strategy as McLaren they would have won easily.
Qualifying - do 1 lap in Q1 to get you within 107% then keep all your tyres for the race.
Good win for Lewis but Jenson dropping to 4th means a disappointing result for the team.
If RBR had gone with the same strategy as McLaren they would have won easily.
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YES! YES! YES!
That was a brilliant race, Hamilton and Webber were utterly awesome. Anyone who said this was going to be a snorefest should hang their heads in shame.
Yes, it was somewhat a boring race, the only thing that livened it up was different tyre strategy, frankly if Vettel/Massa went 3 stop, Massa would have been down with alonso, effecting nothing, Vettel would have been miles ahead, Hamilton would have gotten past Button and be unable to do anything else.
But Webber and a few others in previous races should make strategy blatantly clear. Soft tyres with loads of fuel, rubbish and no big advantage, soft tyres in last stint vs everyone else on hards, miles, miles faster, more grip AND the soft tyres lasted really just as long as hards. Hards don't seem to gain much on low car weight/low fuel while the softs, Webber caned them for what, 16 laps and blew everyone away on pace even in the final couple laps, while hard tyres, Buttons were what 19 laps old at the end, were slow 7-8 laps before the end.
today shows that pole doesnt really count for much.
hamilton winning from 3rd
webber getting 3rd from 18th
if webber had managed to get past a couple of cars earlier in the race on the hards he would have got vettel and got 2nd.
hamilton winning from 3rd
webber getting 3rd from 18th
if webber had managed to get past a couple of cars earlier in the race on the hards he would have got vettel and got 2nd.
Well thats confirmation that grid position really means nothing this season (for good or bad)
Wonder how many teams will risk in the coming races - doing that kind of thing (just using two sets of primes during q1 and q2) irrespective oof anything else knowing you have many more fresh sets of softs for the race
Worked for Webber for certain - although Lewis's actual fresh set of tyres didnt help him so much (I wonder if McLaren got it wrong slightly and should have used the fresh set where it would have made more difference, ie at the last stop)
LH got a little bogged down in the middle but the last part of the race he was incredible (still think MW was driver of the day though unquestionably), Lewis was helped immensely by Rosberg basically letting him through and Massa not fighting that hard - yet with JB they fight tooth and nail
Wonder how many teams will risk in the coming races - doing that kind of thing (just using two sets of primes during q1 and q2) irrespective oof anything else knowing you have many more fresh sets of softs for the race
Worked for Webber for certain - although Lewis's actual fresh set of tyres didnt help him so much (I wonder if McLaren got it wrong slightly and should have used the fresh set where it would have made more difference, ie at the last stop)
LH got a little bogged down in the middle but the last part of the race he was incredible (still think MW was driver of the day though unquestionably), Lewis was helped immensely by Rosberg basically letting him through and Massa not fighting that hard - yet with JB they fight tooth and nail
Soldato
I wouldn't say that, he had far more cars to pass. He definitely didn't have it easy.
Soldato
ROFL McLaren just gave DC a rocket red tshirt and he's looking decidedly sheepish 