Chinese Grand Prix 2011, Shanghai International Circuit - Race 3/19

As good as that race was I still hate the paced racing. For the first stint no one had a go. Vettel didn't even try on the Mclarens until just before the stops then breezed past hamilton.

I'd much rather see drivers go hammer and tongs rather than constant worrying about maintaining a pace to preserve tyres. It really does a driver like Hamilton no favours, I'd rather he was able to be super agressive much more.

Alonso clearly had DRS issues and I doubt that did much for his confidence and balance to have the wing opening and closing wherever it felt like it.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Button, hahahahaha, though it crossed my mind it was a brilliant and sneaky tactic to slow up Vettel, though if that was the plan he screwed that up aswell.

Hamilton, don't like them going on and on about his fresh tyres making the difference, the first 3 sets of tyres being softs made no difference, everyone else on the same strategy had the same amount of tyres, and everyone had fresh hard tyres. He didn't get a chance to make his "fresher" soft tyres work for him, behind people, unable to go more laps, and the hard tyres he was simply faster by a mile than Button with.

Hamilton SHOULD have won that race with a far larger gap. Frankly because he did indeed have fresher softs he should have been able to go a lap or two earlier for the pit stops as his softs should go a couple laps further, meaning come in 2 laps earlier, do two extra 2 second faster laps and be miles out ahead. Instead with "better" fresher tyres that could go further he was always in after Button.

NO idea why but Hamilton was awful in the corner before the DRS straight, so barely used his DRS effectively in the race at all which is why, none iirc, of his overtakes came under DRS. I think if someone told him to follow anyone elses line through that corner he'd have also been further ahead as for instance behind Rosberg he would gain all lap and be miles behind at the start of the DRS straight.

Vettel, would he have easily, really easily romped home to a win if he'd gone 3 stops..... probably.


Shame, Coulthard/Brundle were pratting on about a great exciting race, but all the overtaking(important overtaking) was who is on what tyres, who pitted first, same tyres, same pit stops it was just following around unable to do anything for most of the race. Better than no overtaking but really its yet again 98% about strategy and tyres and not much about real race pace of cars. It doesn't matter how fast Red Bull are(to a degree) if the tyres need to go 12 laps without dying the car can only go so fast.

Good for Hamilton though, great for the team to get the car to the grid on time. Hamilton being a supreme overtaker won him that race vs Button being a big girl. Button unable to get past Rosberg then Massa cost him probably 2nd place, definately cost him 3rd.
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Hamilton passed Button and pulled out over 3 seconds gap on him when they were still on soft tyres,
 
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:D

tho i had mine on this morning, had that feeling.
 
utajoker said:
today shows that pole doesnt really count for much.

hamilton winning from 3rd
webber getting 3rd from 18th

if webber had managed to get past a couple of cars earlier in the race on the hards he would have got vettel and got 2nd.
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It does if you get off the line well and get the strategy right. People will go on and on about this, but the RB is still the fastest car, by a significant margin.

drunkenmaster said:
Shame, Coulthard/Brundle were pratting on about a great exciting race, but all the overtaking(important overtaking) was who is on what tyres, who pitted first, same tyres, same pit stops it was just following around unable to do anything for most of the race. Better than no overtaking but really its yet again 98% about strategy and tyres and not much about real race pace of cars. It doesn't matter how fast Red Bull are(to a degree) if the tyres need to go 12 laps without dying the car can only go so fast.
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Completely agree, it is great to see some more action, but it is all very artificial and forced.
 
Masterdog said:
Terrific race, Hamilton easily the driver of the day. Nice to see Vettel having to do some work as well early on.
Wouldn't heap as much adulation as the commentators on Webber tho. He kind of had it easy - Vettel ultimately did a better job.
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What a foolish thing to say. Webber had problems with his car ALL weekend. To come from 18th to 3rd (a few seconds behind your team mate) is a MONUMENTAL EFFORT.
Vettel has had more run of the green this season compared to his team mate this year.

Vettel had a bad start, he's to blame for his poor race.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
Yes, it was somewhat a boring race, the only thing that livened it up was different tyre strategy, frankly if Vettel/Massa went 3 stop, Massa would have been down with alonso, effecting nothing, Vettel would have been miles ahead, Hamilton would have gotten past Button and be unable to do anything else.

But Webber and a few others in previous races should make strategy blatantly clear. Soft tyres with loads of fuel, rubbish and no big advantage, soft tyres in last stint vs everyone else on hards, miles, miles faster, more grip AND the soft tyres lasted really just as long as hards. Hards don't seem to gain much on low car weight/low fuel while the softs, Webber caned them for what, 16 laps and blew everyone away on pace even in the final couple laps, while hard tyres, Buttons were what 19 laps old at the end, were slow 7-8 laps before the end.
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What the hell do you want from a race if that was boring?! :confused:
 
Masterdog said:
Terrific race, Hamilton easily the driver of the day. Nice to see Vettel having to do some work as well early on.
Wouldn't heap as much adulation as the commentators on Webber tho. He kind of had it easy - Vettel ultimately did a better job.
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How do you work that out? Hamilton had it just as easy (by over taking fewer opposition)
 
drunkenmaster said:
Yes, it was somewhat a boring race, the only thing that livened it up was different tyre strategy, frankly if Vettel/Massa went 3 stop, Massa would have been down with alonso, effecting nothing, Vettel would have been miles ahead, Hamilton would have gotten past Button and be unable to do anything else.

But Webber and a few others in previous races should make strategy blatantly clear. Soft tyres with loads of fuel, rubbish and no big advantage, soft tyres in last stint vs everyone else on hards, miles, miles faster, more grip AND the soft tyres lasted really just as long as hards. Hards don't seem to gain much on low car weight/low fuel while the softs, Webber caned them for what, 16 laps and blew everyone away on pace even in the final couple laps, while hard tyres, Buttons were what 19 laps old at the end, were slow 7-8 laps before the end.
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:rolleyes: There's just no pleasing some people.
 
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