I did hear a rumour that the stewards are looking into handing him a 3 minute penalty as his earings are moveable ballast which is banned.
Chinese Grand Prix 2011, Shanghai International Circuit - Race 3/19
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I did hear a rumour that the stewards are looking into handing him a 3 minute penalty as his earings are moveable ballast which is banned.
Soldato
Really enjoyed this GP, not a huge Hamilton fan but fair play to him he drove a great race. Webber was fantastic though, would have loved an extra 2-3 laps to see if he could pass Vettell 
Really hope he does well this season, it always seems (in my opinion) that the team dont really care about him compared to their golden child Seb.
Another great show from Di Resta as well, hope to see him in a more competitive car in the future. Can see him winding up at Mclaren in a couple of years if his form continues.
Really hope he does well this season, it always seems (in my opinion) that the team dont really care about him compared to their golden child Seb.
Another great show from Di Resta as well, hope to see him in a more competitive car in the future. Can see him winding up at Mclaren in a couple of years if his form continues.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13109394.stm
Good race today, hopefully there are more like this in the season.
Good race today, hopefully there are more like this in the season.
Soldato
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Wow, what a great race.
If you think that was boring then F1 is clearly not for you.
Strategy plays an important part of any sport if you want equal cars then go and watch something else.
If you think that was boring then F1 is clearly not for you.
Strategy plays an important part of any sport if you want equal cars then go and watch something else.
HURRAH!
Finally Vettel is beaten!!!
One of the best dry races I have seen in a while. I know there are some purists who want to go back to processional racing, but I quite like what we saw today. Lots of unpredictability and overtakes throughout the race, right up until the final laps.
The main reasons for this are DRS and Pirelli (delivering the right tyres).
No longer can a driver use the same tyre for duration of the entire race and pit on the penultimate lap.
No longer is a 1 stop or 2 stop strategy necessarily faster than a 3 or 4 stopper. This is exactly what I believed would be the case before the season started and hopefully there shall be more races where 3 or 4 stop strategies will be faster than 1 or 2. This will allow an aggressive driver to drive balls-to-the-wall, taking more pit-stops and beating a driver who is taking fewer pit-stops, who is driving more conservatively.
Some teams/drivers are still thinking in the old fashioned way - ie. get the lead with 20 laps to go and then rely on aerodynamics to prevent a faster car behind you from making an overtake. This strategy no longer works and the driver who is leading has to maintain his pace throughout the course of the entire GP. DRS almost negates the advantage that the driver in front has, over the faster car behind.
There were 2 drivers who I felt were guilty of this today - Vettel and Alonso. When RBR realised that Webber was eating up his competitors after his first pit stop, they could've converted his strategy to a 3 stopper. Similarly, with Alonso, while he was stuck behind MSc, they could've switched him to a 3 stop strategy. Alonso in particular, missed the ball on this one and as a result has once again been beaten by his No.2.
Todays' race showed that with current rules/regs a driver who is brave can beat a driver who is being conservative. Last year, this certainly wasn't the case.
Finally Vettel is beaten!!!
One of the best dry races I have seen in a while. I know there are some purists who want to go back to processional racing, but I quite like what we saw today. Lots of unpredictability and overtakes throughout the race, right up until the final laps.
The main reasons for this are DRS and Pirelli (delivering the right tyres).
No longer can a driver use the same tyre for duration of the entire race and pit on the penultimate lap.
No longer is a 1 stop or 2 stop strategy necessarily faster than a 3 or 4 stopper. This is exactly what I believed would be the case before the season started and hopefully there shall be more races where 3 or 4 stop strategies will be faster than 1 or 2. This will allow an aggressive driver to drive balls-to-the-wall, taking more pit-stops and beating a driver who is taking fewer pit-stops, who is driving more conservatively.
Some teams/drivers are still thinking in the old fashioned way - ie. get the lead with 20 laps to go and then rely on aerodynamics to prevent a faster car behind you from making an overtake. This strategy no longer works and the driver who is leading has to maintain his pace throughout the course of the entire GP. DRS almost negates the advantage that the driver in front has, over the faster car behind.
There were 2 drivers who I felt were guilty of this today - Vettel and Alonso. When RBR realised that Webber was eating up his competitors after his first pit stop, they could've converted his strategy to a 3 stopper. Similarly, with Alonso, while he was stuck behind MSc, they could've switched him to a 3 stop strategy. Alonso in particular, missed the ball on this one and as a result has once again been beaten by his No.2.
Todays' race showed that with current rules/regs a driver who is brave can beat a driver who is being conservative. Last year, this certainly wasn't the case.
Oh and regards to Vettel: This is the first time in a long while where he wasn't leading on the first lap.
Result: he was under pressure for the entire race, he wasn't time trialling and he was involved in an actual race. Surprise surprise...he didn't win.
The key to beating Vettel is to put him under pressure. If a driver can somehow prevent him from leading in the first lap, he won't be allowed to time trial and he will end up having to race and travel in the dirty air of another car...which in turn can heat up his engine (not good for his car) and can also shred his tyres faster (resulting in slower lap times).
The worst thing any team can do is to allow him to lead the race and then start time trialling from the front. Quite often, this is where Vettel does his damage (ie. before the first pit stop).
The problem is that because Vettel is such a great qualifier and starter, it is not easy getting in front of him, off the line.
Result: he was under pressure for the entire race, he wasn't time trialling and he was involved in an actual race. Surprise surprise...he didn't win.
The key to beating Vettel is to put him under pressure. If a driver can somehow prevent him from leading in the first lap, he won't be allowed to time trial and he will end up having to race and travel in the dirty air of another car...which in turn can heat up his engine (not good for his car) and can also shred his tyres faster (resulting in slower lap times).
The worst thing any team can do is to allow him to lead the race and then start time trialling from the front. Quite often, this is where Vettel does his damage (ie. before the first pit stop).
The problem is that because Vettel is such a great qualifier and starter, it is not easy getting in front of him, off the line.
Looking after tyres, yes.
But not taking extra stops.
When was the last time when we saw drivers taking more stops and winning races? If I remember correctly, last year we had situations where the fastest strategy was to take a pitstop on the penultimate lap. I'm glad that that sort of strategy won't be showing itself up any-time soon.
LMAO
Soldato
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I agreed with Webbers comment that there is now slightly less emphasis on racing and slightly more on strategy (yes it has always been there, but it is a lot more important now). I don't hugely like it (combined with the DRS), and neither do the drivers based on some of the comments, but it is just something we will have to get used to.
Lets hope Vettel makes a bad start next time too
Originally Posted by MikeGascoyne on twitter
Jarno quickest race lap quicker than fernando and only 7 tenths down on Vettal, what's all that about. Need to sort out qualifying
Wow.
you realise hes trolling? and here is why
alonso set his fastest time at lap 41 or 16:15:19 (china time)
trulli set his time at lap 53 or 16:37:36 (china time)
22minutes passed since alonso set his fastest laptime now how much fuel do you think he burnt off? i bet its much more than 7 tenths
Don
What's the story with Hamilton's car at the grid?
someone filled the car with to much fuel and they had to remove some which is why before the race the garage stank of petrol and acording to the bbc pitlane reporter "fuel was spraying out of a pipe" which he believed at the time to be a fuel leak
Man of Honour
you realise hes trolling? and here is why
alonso set his fastest time at lap 41 or 16:15:19 (china time)
trulli set his time at lap 53 or 16:37:36 (china time)
22minutes passed since alonso set his fastest laptime now how much fuel do you think he burnt off? i bet its much more than 7 tenths
Fastest laps are nearly always set near the end of the race (excluding the refuelling days)
fuel leak in the air filter (or something like that), certainly the filter was sodden with fuel just as they were trying to restart it to go to the grid (made the exit of the pitlane with 30secs to go or something)
Soldato
Good race. I didn't used to be a massive fan of F1, but I like the kers and drag technology. Like webber said, its slightly false/more of a strategic game rather than pure driver skill but it makes great viewing.
Soldato
just seen the redbull bloke on the forum saying Jenson deliberately drove into the RB pits, they couldn't work out if he was joking or not.
must have been CS Nuts
must have been CS Nuts
it probably was
jenson obviously wanted to ruin his own race to give hamilton the edge...oh wait just because WEBBER is a number 2 driver and must do all he can to help vettel win (atleast in the eyes of redbull) does not mean every other team is the same.