Chinese Grand Prix 2011, Shanghai International Circuit - Race 3/19

We never saw an onboard of the clip we saw it in use, was he pushing the button or was it going on it's own?

If he was pushing it he should be punished for using it in a illigal place. If he isn't then leave it be.

Not at all. It doesn't matter if he pushed the button or not. The system shouldn't have been armed in the first place. He should be able to press the system all day long and it doesn't move unless it's armed.

Where it was shown working and how it was working would have been a hinderance rather than an aid.
 
We never saw an onboard of the clip we saw it in use, was he pushing the button or was it going on it's own?

If he was pushing it he should be punished for using it in a illigal place. If he isn't then leave it be.

How does the DRS arming sytem work? Is it a standard system provided by the FIA or is it something the teams develop themselves?

Not at all. It doesn't matter if he pushed the button or not. The system shouldn't have been armed in the first place. He should be able to press the system all day long and it doesn't move unless it's armed.

Where it was shown working and how it was working would have been a hinderance rather than an aid.

DRS is a standardised system in terms of the control. The teams can design their own wing designs within the regulations, but when it is enabled is standardised, and controlled by the standard ECU.

If the control of DRS was managed by the teams, I would be all over some sort of Alonso/Ferrari cheating conspiracy, but seen as its not, then its a software glitch that the FIA need to sort out sharpish. Its not a 'failure' of the system, as when the system doesn't work, the wing wont open. The wing opened itself for some reason, either with or without Alonso pressing the button (I think Alonso's is on a rear flap on the steering wheel, so we wouldn't see it on an onboard shot anyway). But either way, even if he pressed the button it shouldn't have worked. The fact it did is a problem for the FIA, and one they need to sort out sharpish if they are to stop people getting concerned about the reliability of DRS.
 
did button ever say anything about stopping in the wrong box or did he hide away from the forum?
It was a good race. There is no doubt about that.
good race yes the best i have ever seen no.

weve seen some proper epic duels over the year and i doubt the teams will all be chaotic with pitstops for long i bet most will try 3 stopping next race
 
did button ever say anything about stopping in the wrong box or did he hide away from the forum?
good race yes the best i have ever seen no.

weve seen some proper epic duels over the year and i doubt the teams will all be chaotic with pitstops for long i bet most will try 3 stopping next race

He did comment straight after the race about it, very little said, just that he looked down to adjust something looked up and had pulled into the wrong box but was too late to do anything so went straight through.
 
I really wish the FIA would do something about teams underfueling cars, I don't know if Rosberg would have finished higher if he didn't have to fuel save but all the teams should be made to carry enough fuel to drive flat out for the full race distance.
 
Ferrari are similar to Williams (in that they don't seem to care about sponsors), but Ferrari have the luxury of getting a lot of money from the FIA and get funding from FIAT.

LOL, I just realised, FIAT is one letter away from FIA.

and they make bucketloads of money from ...

Making Cars

another reason why Mclaren is making the MP4-12C.

To make more money.
 
I really wish the FIA would do something about teams underfueling cars, I don't know if Rosberg would have finished higher if he didn't have to fuel save but all the teams should be made to carry enough fuel to drive flat out for the full race distance.

But that then makes them slower and less competative = zzzz
 
But that is happening anyway :confused:

There should be a set minimum fuel limit for starting the race.

pointless not all engines use the same amounts of fuel , car setup also plays a big factor and teams would just change the engine settings to burn fuel at ridiculous rates just to burn the weight off.

they should bring pitstops for fuel back imo
 
totally de-restrict engine development.

And end up with a scenario we had before where customer teams where always a year or so behind the full works teams?

You would not have the scenario you have now with Renault being pounded by Red Bull or Mercedes getting beat by anyone who wants to run one if they started throwing money at it again.

Initially I was against an engine freeze but it's undeniable that it's provided the chance for customer teams to actually win titles and races are won with nearly all the cars running instead of having half the field break down.
 
Set fuel weight, totally de-restrict engine development.

Would certainly make it more relevant to the car industry.

More than anything I would like to see more big names like VW, Porche etc. Who cares about cars like HRT, Virgin etc. Sadly F1 is becoming less and less relevant.

Perhaps they should unfreeze engine development, but set a cap on the money spent on development?
 
Would certainly make it more relevant to the car industry.

More than anything I would like to see more big names like VW, Porche etc. Who cares about cars like HRT, Virgin etc. Sadly F1 is becoming less and less relevant.

Perhaps they should unfreeze engine development, but set a cap on the money spent on development?

Wouldn't mind a set limit but it has to be well thought out and easy to track, this is the problem I don't think it's in forceable. And 40 mill is rediculusley low. Again sounding lie a. Stuck recorded, if it was relevant and useful in other industries then it will get huge sponsorship, the current problem is it is just sponsorship for advertising nothing more. Which is why kers should be derestricted,engines derestricted, alternative energies written in the rules and aero clamped down on.
 
If they de-restrict KERS and allow teams to develop it in-house, this would be a fantastic way to advertise F1.

F1 is going green and is leading the way forward in developing Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems, for road car use.

They could also take a similar route, if they could reduce the fuel consumption on the engines.
 
I've suggested before every 2 or 3 years reduce fuel by 5-10% or something. But make sure renault or other manufacture sell to anyone on the grid who wants to buy. So cheaper teams have an option. F1 has always had the top few teams, midfield then the poor runners. I don't see why that needs to change to this everyone close together wich is what they have been trying and succeeding to do.
 
Here's a question:

During qualifying, in 2 of the 3 races, Vettel has been much much faster than anybody else on the grid. Yet, in both those races, he hasn't been nearly as far ahead in the race. Why is this?

I'm guessing that DRS and the tyres can explain almost all of it,

They have so much more grip/downforce than anyone else that they can use the DRS earlier in the corner during qualifying so they're using it longer and getting higher speeds between corners than they can manage during the race,

And tyres because basically race pace = tyre conservation pace, even webber who had the benefit of new softs on a relatively light car only managed a 1:38, compared to a 1:33 in qualifying, 5 seconds slower is massive, everyone else was 1:40 or slower, 6-7 seconds

I also think that much like last year for whatever reason the Red Bull works a lot better on low fuel than the McLaren, conversely during a race this means the McLaren can be that little bit closer just due to that before getting to the above DRS/Tyres stuff...

Not at all. It doesn't matter if he pushed the button or not. The system shouldn't have been armed in the first place. He should be able to press the system all day long and it doesn't move unless it's armed.

Where it was shown working and how it was working would have been a hinderance rather than an aid.

How can DRS opening on a straight be classed as a hindrance, more speed = bad? :confused:

And end up with a scenario we had before where customer teams where always a year or so behind the full works teams?

You would not have the scenario you have now with Renault being pounded by Red Bull or Mercedes getting beat by anyone who wants to run one if they started throwing money at it again.

Initially I was against an engine freeze but it's undeniable that it's provided the chance for customer teams to actually win titles and races are won with nearly all the cars running instead of having half the field break down.

But it hasn't quite been an engine freeze has it, it's been a phase of engine standardisation, if you're engine sucks you get to 'make changes for reliability', if not then tough. End Result = a set of engines that are in a very small range of performance/efficiency.

I do think the best option would be, as CaptainRAVE says unrestricted engine development (with fuel limit) and some form of financial limitation, although that brings the problem of actually limiting the teams/engine builders...
 
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