Chinese Grand Prix 2011, Shanghai International Circuit - Race 3/19

mmj_uk said:
There's no doubt it's great for the casual viewers and drivers who are a bit lacking in racecraft... but I'd rather F1 became 'unpredictable' through serious changes to aerodynamics not all these magicians tricks.

How has F1 gone from being a sport of racing flat out for 70 laps to one of nursing intentionally crap tyres, conserving fuel and using boost buttons to pass other cars?
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2011 F1 is a lot closer to the racing you used to see pre 1994 and that's a good thing IMO. Until 94 F1 was always just as much about conserving your car and your tyres, different strategies etc as going flat out every lap and it produced some epic races throughout the 70s and 80s.

F1 isn't a 10 lap sprint, it's more a middle distance event. Think 1500m race in athletics, pacing yourself to get the best overall result is very much part of it.

I've got an open mind at the moment on DRS, I can live with it as long as they strike a balance that still makes passing a challenge.
 
Skeeter said:
Any chance we can create a "F1 should be like it was in 'the old days'" thread and keep all chat about how modern F1 is rubbish compared to <insert decade here> in there? It would make reading the modern F1 threads actually bearable and worth the effort as they wouldn't be routinely trashed by arguments about by gone eras?
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I'm 50/50 to be fair you could start a thread on it if you wanted to keep it out the race threads. We do have a big forum and not many people bother to start a new thread for news or debate, everyone seems to lump it in one thread.

Then on the other hand it's nice to see people debate out F1 points, I find it much easier than half the people offering zero opinion on anything, they just come in to do a race commentary as though we haven't got the TV on and then post LOL comments at various drivers.

You watch the next race thread and see how much that happens, offering up nothing but a commentary.
 
I would rather read race comments and lol driver discussions relevant to that race than wade through yet another argument that F1 from X decade was better and modern F1 is rubbish.

I am actually surprised half the people in these threads bother to watch modern F1 if its clearly so inferior to their 'good old years'.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/04/f1-set-for-electric-only-in-the-pit-lane/

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I enjoyed reading some of those comments.

There are some dinosaurs around who don't quite understand the concept that F1 must use as much bleeding edge technology as possible. I guess it is human nature to resist change...humans fear change and find comfort in familiarity.

It would be disappointing if F1 - the pinnacle of motor racing - is using technology which is older than that which is found on road cars (in 2013).

Electric/hybrid engines are the future and F1 should be leading the way in this area.
 
I like the electric only idea, but more on endurance cars. I think I have seen it drafted somewhere in some Le Mans series rules about a hybrid class and a requirement of being able to ensure you could use only electric power in the pitlane, but still travel at the pit lane speed limit for the whole duration.

Its an interesting idea. It brings some safety to pitlanes with refueling, and also offers a nice target to hit. It also offers the ability for manufacturers to use that electric power in however they see fit on track (short fast bursts, long slow bursts, etc).

However, like KERS, i like the idea, but I think F1 is the wrong place for it. These energey recovery technologies are great in endurance or GT racing where the cars look like the ones we can buy on the road, and fuel efficiency is a key aspect of racing.
 
sunama said:
Electric/hybrid engines are the future and F1 should be leading the way in this area.
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WHY?
The best selling road vehicle ever is not even a car! and I don't know anyone who bought a car because of F1.
But the people who do buy cars that are based on F1 like ferrari..Mclaren they want speed and power.

Anyway if those stupid rules come in then they could leave F1 and start there own racing group.
 
Because that's where the. Money comes from and always had until the last ~15 years, loads of f1 inventions have been incorporated into cars. The money is in alternative fuel, "green" technology and is. The future.
Oh and electric is also where power and speed is and can vastly out perform petrol.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Because that's where the. Money comes from and always had until the last ~15 years, loads of f1 inventions have been incorporated into cars. The money is in alternative fuel, "green" technology and is. The future.
Oh and electric is also where power and speed is and can vastly out perform petrol.
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The last two F1 parts to go onto road cars was a Flappy paddle gearbox and some brakes. Unless I missed something somewhere.

And are you talking about the Ultimate Aero EV as your fast-out perform car?
It was on the BBC last season that the fuel the FIA wanted to save was just 2 plane flights to china in a jumbo jet.hmmmm
 
The last two, there has been many though throughout f1 and lots of new ideas and technology created onto of that which hasn't gone into road cars.

As for the last paragraph I don't understand what your saying?
 
AcidHell2 said:
The last two, there has been many though throughout f1 and lots of new ideas and technology created onto of that which hasn't gone into road cars.

As for the last paragraph I don't understand what your saying?
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Could you name me the parts that are on todays cars that came from F1 please as I only know the last two and that was years ago.

If your on about the Ultimate Aero EV car well that's suposed to be the fastest electric car.
The fuel savings the FIA wanted in F1 worked out to two plane flights to china fuel wise so not a lot.
 
deuse said:
WHY?
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Because oil is in finite supply. Petrol fuelled cars will eventually be phased out (or be a thing that only collectors will have in their garages).

The future of motor vehicles is a power which does not involve the burning of oil.

At present, the fastest vehicles are not electrically powered. This is true. But this is only because the petrol engine is a mature technology. If electric/hybrid engines are developed for a few decades, I assure you that the power output will be dramatically increased.

The problem with humans is that they don't like change. They fear change. Once the change is introduced, most humans accept the change without any problems. Just as F1 audiences accepted engines which were much less powerful (ie. when turbos were outlawed), so will they accept engines which are (partially) able to run on electricity.

In any case, this idea has not been accepted yet; it is just a rumour and there are a lot of steps to go through before such an idea is ratified and implemented.
 
Wasn't on about the ev car, electric is faster and more powerful, all the torque from 0rpm and much higher rpms, make no mistake electric is the future for the fastest race series.

Sliding cams, variable timing,independent suspension, crushable structures for accidents,

Sod it here's a link with the work done, many invented by the sport and many more invented outside the sport, but f1 was used as the test bed and pushed it into road cars.

http://www.f1scarlet.com/f1_roadcar.html
 
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