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Chinese Grand Prix 2011, Shanghai International Circuit - Race 3/19
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Caporegime
through technological innovation.
Left to its own devices, F1 would become the most boring spectacle in the world i reckon.
Tyre conservation has been part of racing for quite a while. Admittedly, not the level which we are now seeing.
The alternative for drivers is to follow Webber/Hamilton's strategy and save your tyres for the race and stop more times than your competitors while driving hard.
There are always alternative/viable strategies. This was something which was lacking before 2011.
My feeling is that the purists like the old style, processional racing, while the newer/casual viewers seem to like the new-style non-processional racing we are now seeing in 2011.
On a separate note: Button (reputed to be fantastic at looking after tyres), has been outscored after 3 races, by Hamilton (reputed to be notoriously harsh on tyres), in a season which seems to be heavily dependent on tyre management. His reputation doesn't quite seem to be matching up to the statistics.
The alternative for drivers is to follow Webber/Hamilton's strategy and save your tyres for the race and stop more times than your competitors while driving hard.
There are always alternative/viable strategies. This was something which was lacking before 2011.
My feeling is that the purists like the old style, processional racing, while the newer/casual viewers seem to like the new-style non-processional racing we are now seeing in 2011.
On a separate note: Button (reputed to be fantastic at looking after tyres), has been outscored after 3 races, by Hamilton (reputed to be notoriously harsh on tyres), in a season which seems to be heavily dependent on tyre management. His reputation doesn't quite seem to be matching up to the statistics.
You keep saying that, but it just isn't true. But then again why am I surprised.
I don't know about that. On the first stint where Vettel Hamilton and Button all seemed to be matched for pace, they were constantly falling quite far back in the turbulent air during the long turn 13, which they made back up with DRS along the straight. They'd really have struggled to stay in touch over the course of the lap without the DRS helping them combat the dirty air disadvantage imo.
In theory I really dislike DRS, but I haven't written it off yet, and if it can be tuned to counteract the dirty air without then giving a further advantage to the car behind then I can see it being a good thing.
Soldato
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We don't appear to be seeing tyre conservation in the driver skill sense such as took place in Canada last year. We seem to be seeing tyre wearing at a constant-ish rate then with a sudden loss in performance after a certain point. This becomes more about tyre strategy in the pits than driver skill. My thoughts anyway.
i would prefer that, it means drivers mite aswell go for it as trying to save tires wont do much, at best an extra lap.
should mean they dont even bother with it and get on with some racing.
Wasn't the tyre changes supposed to allow some flux in strategy ?
Not really going to achieve much if instead of everyone running 2 stops, everyone does 4 stops.
At the moment its 'interesting' because teams dont have the tyres worked out for each track, but next year i expect the same problem as before - everyone in on the same laps.
eveyone may run the same stratergy but they mite actually race instead of trying to look after tires, which doesnt do much now.
so rather than trying to jump in the stops by going extra laps etc, they will have to race.
hopefully.
so rather than trying to jump in the stops by going extra laps etc, they will have to race.
hopefully.
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Ive been a F1 fan since I was 6 when I went to Adelaide GP 86(still have the flag) And I love the new rules. Does that make me a turn coat?
From what I saw (especially in the last race), there was a lot of racing going on. Webber in particular was on the limit and was rampant.
Some drivers chose the wrong strategy and were nursing their tyres, however, this is their choice. They can choose to stop more times and drive hard (like Webber/Hamilton) OR they can choose to pussy-foot around and stop fewer times.
It is this variation in strategy which caused the excitement in Canada last year and also in the last race.
I can't understand how anybody who is a fan of F1 could not have liked the last race. For me, that was one of the best dry races I've seen in recent times. The podium positions were still being contested right up to the end of the race.
Would you rather we returned to processional racing?
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[TW]Taggart;18944711 said:
Nope, because I've been watching F1 for many years and I also loved the last race.
But, I do feel that those who are against these new rules, tend to be those who have been watching F1 for many years.
From what I've seen, the new-comers to the sport have accepted the new style of F1.
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lets be honest back in the day the race's were not that intresting. the cars were bloody quick and the tech in them was stupidly dangerous, but come on, you have to admit the last race had so much more action.
Any chance we can create a "F1 should be like it was in 'the old days'" thread and keep all chat about how modern F1 is rubbish compared to <insert decade here> in there? It would make reading the modern F1 threads actually bearable and worth the effort as they wouldn't be routinely trashed by arguments about by gone eras?
My only post in this thread is just to quote this. I gave up posting as its just the same drivel.
Don
I agree. We are in a different era, lets all take off the rose-tinted specs and enjoy the series for what it is!
Soldato
NO
You need something to compare todays racing\drivers with. Simples really
Or when a driver is better then Ayrton Senna or a car as good as the MP40 then you can have your thread
