Civilization V

Tombstone · 4 Oct 2010 at 08:37

Overlag said:
why is it AI is so hard to get right these days? Both F1 2010 and Civ5 have complaints about the AI being a bit rubbish, yet older civ titles and GP2 managed AI fine back in the day of 100mhz processors.

What gives?

Well there is only a few possible answers to that. Pick one, or more, of your choosing

1. AI coders have become a lot less skilled over the years
2. Devs put more weight on graphics than AI
3. The AI isnt actually any worse, its just that we've gotten older and notice things more
4. The AI isnt actually any worse, its just that where in the past we were content to simply play a game we now actively seek to exploit weaknesses in the AI and so notice them (even hunt for them sometimes) more.
5. AI coders are as skilled as ever and devs did pay attention to AI, but the devs did it deliberately to wind players up on purpose so they could laugh at the forums.
6. Devs and the game companies dont really give a stuff about any aspect of the games and just want to get the ££ as quickly as possible, then drop the game and move onto the next quick release as they know that 90% of gamers are stupid suckers who will immediately get caught up in the hype of the next "big" title and pay out again.

That should cover all of the possible reasons

shaf · 4 Oct 2010 at 08:40

Great game and loving it.

I had a bug yesterday that was quite annoying.

I was playing England fighting the Persians and they offered peace with 3 of their cities. I chose to puppet the cities as I also knew France was on the borders and readying for another invasion.

The next turn it came up with the message to choose production for the cities. On clicking nothing happened. On inspecting the message it wanted me to choose the production for the newly conquered cities i.e. puppet cities.

In the end I had to annex the cities to progress.

Now fighting the France with negative happiness.

I_M_Weasel · 4 Oct 2010 at 11:19

Probably can't see the wood for the trees but where is a cities happiness shown?

Efour · 4 Oct 2010 at 11:20

3rd along top black bar "smiley" faces

or unhappy :mad:

faces

I_M_Weasel · 4 Oct 2010 at 11:32

Is that for the whole civ, or just 1 city?

MooMoo444 · 4 Oct 2010 at 11:36

I_M_Weasel said:
Is that for the whole civ, or just 1 city?

Overall

Efour · 4 Oct 2010 at 12:19

oh lol sorry miss read it, iff the top of my head f3 is the city summary screen i think... its one of the keys f1 to f6

im not actually sure individual city's happiness counts in 5 any more. No one thing brings down a single cities happyness other than being occupied

DarkLordStevoII · 4 Oct 2010 at 13:53

shaf said:
Great game and loving it.

I had a bug yesterday that was quite annoying.

I was playing England fighting the Persians and they offered peace with 3 of their cities. I chose to puppet the cities as I also knew France was on the borders and readying for another invasion.

The next turn it came up with the message to choose production for the cities. On clicking nothing happened. On inspecting the message it wanted me to choose the production for the newly conquered cities i.e. puppet cities.

In the end I had to annex the cities to progress.

Now fighting the France with negative happiness.

I had exactly the same situation yesterday. I'm trapped with 6 angry faces and no growth. Must be a bug.

pingwing · 4 Oct 2010 at 14:21

shaf said:
In the end I had to annex the cities to progress.

Now fighting the France with negative happiness.

Raise the cities?? This is the first civ game where raising them tends to be a pretty reasonable idea as you dont get an unhappiness penalty for doing it... (or you could just activate one of the war orientated policy branches)

Limenote · 4 Oct 2010 at 15:00

is there a way to view all of your luxury resources? i cant seem to find one

shaf · 4 Oct 2010 at 15:07

pingwing said:
Raise the cities?? This is the first civ game where raising them tends to be a pretty reasonable idea as you dont get an unhappiness penalty for doing it... (or you could just activate one of the war orientated policy branches)

And kill all those innocent people...no way.

Efour · 4 Oct 2010 at 15:07

they seemed to have taken out all of the useful economic summary screens.

i get sick of trawling through 15+ screens to see who is trading what, or which city state is providing what.

Vimes · 4 Oct 2010 at 16:29

Is it just me, probably is, or isn't there a screen that was in Civ IV which you could bring up and it would inform you by looking at it who is at war with who by clicking on each of the Civs, if that makes sense.!..?
I am at war with Lizzy but the other Civs are grumbling at me and I would like an overview of their relationships and military strength.

Frapple · 4 Oct 2010 at 16:30

Vimes said:
Is it just me, probably is, or isn't there a screen that was in Civ IV which you could bring up and it would inform you by looking at it who is at war with who by clicking on each of the Civs, if that makes sense.!..?

Might have been total war? Been a while since I played CivIV but someone else might prove me wrong!

Vimes · 4 Oct 2010 at 16:40

Frapple said:
Might have been total war? Been a while since I played CivIV but someone else might prove me wrong!

groan.... I really thought that was in Civ IV..? Although it is a while since I played it.
If you had 8 Civs in a game it then showed 8 portraits on the screen and you would have lines between each on the portraits - red if they were at war with each other etc etc.

I will install Civ IV now just to check.!

Howitzer · 4 Oct 2010 at 16:42

Vimes said:
Is it just me, probably is, or isn't there a screen that was in Civ IV which you could bring up and it would inform you by looking at it who is at war with who by clicking on each of the Civs, if that makes sense.!..?

I think that was in Civ III (though could have been IV).
You mean that screen where it shows the portraits with lines (either red green, blue etc) showing war, allies, trade agreements and such...

I would be very dissapointed if they have taken that away!

[Edit] Lol, the convo clarified as I typed

Frapple · 4 Oct 2010 at 16:43

Vimes said:
groan.... I really thought that was in Civ IV..? Although it is a while since I played it.
If you had 8 Civs in a game it then showed 8 portraits on the screen and you would have lines between each on the portraits - red if they were at war with each other etc etc.

I will install Civ IV now just to check.!

lol, I just remember a screen in Empire where all you relationships were displayed.

As I say it's been a while & I've got a terrible memory. Now that you mention portraits it probably was Civ IV or one of the old Settlers games

Bumhug · 4 Oct 2010 at 16:50

The lines are in Civ 3 for certain, been playing that all weekend

played the demo of 5 didnt like it, couldnt find my civ 4 disks so had a look on steam, £12.99 for game and £9.99 for each expansion so my civ needs looked like going unfulfilled. But then saw Civ 3 complete for £3.99. I had the disks for that somewhere but for that price saved 2 hours of looking through old boxes

Vimes · 4 Oct 2010 at 16:52

Howitzer said:
I think that was in Civ III (though could have been IV).
You mean that screen where it shows the portraits with lines (either red green, blue etc) showing war, allies, trade agreements and such...

I would be very dissapointed if they have taken that away!

[Edit] Lol, the convo clarified as I typed

Yes that is the one..! I'm sure (yeah right) it was Civ IV. I found that really useful but can't find anything similar in Civ v.

Frapple said:
lol, I just remember a screen in Empire where all you relationships were displayed.

As I say it's been a while & I've got a terrible memory. Now that you mention portraits it probably was Civ IV or one of the old Settlers games

I can't install all of my old game just to find it

I have all the Total war games but I'm sure it wasn't part of those. I have only bought Settlers 7 and haven't played that much so I'm leaning towards Civ IV.

EDIT... Just installed Civ 4 and the expansions and it is indeed in that game. But alas I do not see anything like that in Civ V. I am the only player showing as it i the start of a test game and I hadn't met any other Civs...

Egon · 4 Oct 2010 at 17:51

shaf said:
Great game and loving it.

I had a bug yesterday that was quite annoying.

I was playing England fighting the Persians and they offered peace with 3 of their cities. I chose to puppet the cities as I also knew France was on the borders and readying for another invasion.

The next turn it came up with the message to choose production for the cities. On clicking nothing happened. On inspecting the message it wanted me to choose the production for the newly conquered cities i.e. puppet cities.

In the end I had to annex the cities to progress.

Now fighting the France with negative happiness.

Yep, had the same bug. Bloody annoying isn't it !!