Command & Conquer 4K remaster coming

YoungBlood · 6 Jun 2020 at 18:46

Which game did they introduce unit promotions, and when they got full star they would self heal?

VincentHanna · 6 Jun 2020 at 18:48

Red Alert 2 (and 3)

azazl187 · 6 Jun 2020 at 18:49

This is very easy to play. The AI is terribly dumb. Ive just taken on 2 hard AIs at the same time and won.

YoungBlood · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:00

azazl187 said:
This is very easy to play. The AI is terribly dumb. Ive just taken on 2 hard AIs at the same time and won.

I could be wrong, I don't think skirmish hard is the same as campaign hard.
It just feels weighed 70/30 against you in campaign. It just doesn't play well early on as you don't have the full tech tree and you can't counter what they throw at you.
I'm on a mission now where they keep spamming me with tanks and I can't build them, whilst it's break even resource wise to fight them off, I can't build a force to hit the base and the tiberium runs out. Other than try cheese with apc and engineers I'm stuck again.

Noxia · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:08

I'm going to drop the difficulty to normal or I wont get much enjoyment out of this I think on TD, I just hada single mini gunner kite my tank and kill it lol.

Youngblood and I seem to have exact same issues.

YoungBlood · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:15

Noxia said:
I'm going to drop the difficulty to normal or I wont get much enjoyment out of this I think on TD, I just hada single mini gunner kite my tank and kill it lol.

I'm 8/81 on a hard missions run through as I wanted the Steam achievement, playing as GDI first.
I think they will push some balance adjustments, surely anyone who tested this would have raised an eyebrow, I swear sometimes it's just not mathematically possible to win.
Whats the saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, yep that's me tonight!

Noxia · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:16

YoungBlood said:
I'm 8/81 on a hard missions run through as I wanted the Steam achievement, playing as GDI first.
I think they will push some balance adjustments, surely anyone who tested this would have raised an eyebrow, I swear sometimes it's just not mathematically possible to win.
Whats the saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, yep that's me tonight!

I dont recall the original being this hard, did it even have a difficulty setting? Enemy tanks can squish my men with pin point accuracy and infantry can dodge my tanks for days, like they turn into Neo.

esoteric · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:16

Finished GDI campaign. Bring it on NOD.

Guest2 · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:18

Game just started here - https://www.twitch.tv/thekaution

Should be a good watch. TiTo is good

azazl187 · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:46

I think I might get a refund.... I would have expected more than just two games with DLC for 18 quid. Plus the AI is terrible. All you need to do is work out the "track" they are taking and stick a few turrets in it and they just feed themselves to it.

Noxia · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:53

azazl187 said:
I think I might get a refund.... I would have expected more than just two games with DLC for 18 quid. Plus the AI is terrible. All you need to do is work out the "track" they are taking and stick a few turrets in it and they just feed themselves to it.

Out of all the valid complaints about this I dont see how the price is one of them tbh. What were you expecting? It was pretty clear from the product page what it was.

Edit: That sounds a bit narky but isn't supposed to be, I'm genuinelly intrigued what you thought you were getting.

Gerard · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:56

azazl187 said:
I think I might get a refund.... I would have expected more than just two games with DLC for 18 quid. Plus the AI is terrible. All you need to do is work out the "track" they are taking and stick a few turrets in it and they just feed themselves to it.

Yeah the ai is a bit repetitive to say the least. It kept sending a single helicopter to my base and it took the same route every time and hovered inbetween 2 aa cannons that shredded it.

Ai in general seems to be as dumb as it always was, you can have a group of tanks sitting there with enemy infantry hammering them with rockets and they just sit and take it until you tell them to attack

Pathfinding for units is terrible as always, they seem to love to hug along the edges of parts of the map and take forever to get where they're going, so you basically have to manually keep clicking on areas along the way to get them to go a more sensible route.

It's a nice nostalgia trip but you would think they would have made the ai and pathfinding a bit less dumb instead of keeping it exactly as it was. It's the same as it was originally basically and doesn't seem to have been adjusted in any way.

azazl187 · 6 Jun 2020 at 19:59

Gerard said:
Yeah the ai is a bit repetitive to say the least. It kept sending a single helicopter to my base and it took the same route every time and hovered inbetween 2 aa cannons that shredded it.

Ai in general seems to be as dumb as it always was, you can have a group of tanks sitting there with enemy infantry hammering them with rockets and they just sit and take it until you tell them to attack

Pathfinding for units is terrible as always, they seem to love to hug along the edges of parts of the map and take forever to get where they're going, so you basically have to manually keep clicking on areas along the way to get them to go a more sensible route.

It's a nice nostalgia trip but you would think they would have made the ai and pathfinding a bit less dumb instead of keeping it exactly as it was. It's the same as it was originally basically and doesn't seem to have been adjusted in any way.

Agreed. All they have done is upgrade the graphics

Duke · 6 Jun 2020 at 20:09

Read somewhere they kept the path finding and things the same else its breaks the campaign missions. It would be good if they could tweak it for skirmish/sandbox matches though.

Currently on the Mobius mission, forgot how annoying it is

Trying to keep the peds in place and not dying from going near the tib

Noxia · 6 Jun 2020 at 20:17

Duke said:
Read somewhere they kept the path finding and things the same else its breaks the campaign missions. It would be good if they could tweak it for skirmish/sandbox matches though.

Currently on the Mobius mission, forgot how annoying it is

EA producer Jim Vessella told us that Petroglyph won't be making updates to things like C&C's less-than-smart AI pathfinding from the original. Apparently they made some attempts but found that the campaign missions were so tightly designed that even small balance changes had large downstream effects. The remaster will be as close to the original as possible, quirks and all.

It was made clear from very early on it was literally a graphics upgrade and soundtrack remaster. This was then apparently a surprise to some of our forum members.

Duke · 6 Jun 2020 at 20:19

Yep completely agree. I think some thought it would be a complete remake. I enjoy using sandbags to block stuff and placing 1 soldier to stop the AI rebuilding on the same spot that I've just blown up

YoungBlood · 6 Jun 2020 at 20:22

GDI Mission 5B - I offer a cookie to anyone that can clear it on hard, I don't see how it is possible.

Gerard · 6 Jun 2020 at 20:28

Duke said:
Read somewhere they kept the path finding and things the same else its breaks the campaign missions. It would be good if they could tweak it for skirmish/sandbox matches though.

That's what i thought it would be change for, skirmish mode as it wasn't a mode that was in the original game.

Gerard · 6 Jun 2020 at 20:29

Noxia said:
It was made clear from very early on it was literally a graphics upgrade and soundtrack remaster. This was then apparently a surprise to some of our forum members.

You're basing that on the assumption people kept up to date with news on the game, many won't have.

Noxia · 6 Jun 2020 at 20:36

Gerard said:
You're basing that on the assumption people kept up to date with news on the game, many won't have.

Also no mention of reworked AI on the very short product description. I'm sure if refunds weren't so easy then more attention would be paid.