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Fishbait said:
Fairly sure one of his clips mentions getting a VegaLC at the time he was testing Threadripper.
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Yes, which was a review pool card, once he was done with it he had to send it to the next reviewer, no one got to keep it or any Vega card.

This is the thing with AMD, they cannot afford to bribe people with hardware.
 
humbug said:
Yes, which was a review pool card, once he was done with it he had to send it to the next reviewer, no one got to keep it or any Vega card.

This is the thing with AMD, they cannot afford to bribe people with hardware.
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Oh and BTW, that review is call "Poor Vega" if you want to see him rip into AMD? you think he's being unfair with PcPer...? Poor Vega, watch it. that's a corker.
 
DragonQ said:
I've only watched the first 2/3 of the video so far so maybe he explicitly tells people to "dogpile" PcPer later on, but so far all he's done is trying to point out differences in approach between AMD issues and nVidia/Intel issues. I don't understand why people think calling out bias (no matter how intentional or not), malpractice, or pure BS, is wrong because it might make people angry?? If you're not upsetting those with power as a journalist, you're a bad one.

I'd be happy to see a rebuttal of the video, particularly in the form of a reasoned response from PCPer, but so far all I see are ad hominems ("biased", "fanboy", etc.).
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It's not that he is directly telling his fans to go and attack them, he doesn't. However the accusatory nature of the video mean that people will act upon it in differing ways, some discuss it on forums and others will go and attack the subject of said video. It is not something that is unique to him or his audience. However it is something that he should have better considered before he released the video. In this instance, as we have seen in this thread, it has allowed his detractors to attack him rather than have to defend PC Perspectives dodgy practices or dispute the other points he made.
 
gavinh87 said:
Funny how he doesn't call AMD out for shenanigans though :rolleyes:

It happens on both sides, yet he wants to turn it around like the world hates AMD.
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Gavin,

The video is about tech journalism. It's not about nVidia or AMD. Why would he be calling out AMD in a video about journalism? That makes no sense at all.

You are so desperate to pin something to him and it really shows.
 
Anybody posting in this thread really needs to sit through the whole video, because what pcper has done is just not on at all, but you won't get it unless you actually watch the video.
 
Lot of postings from folk not having paid attention to his claims, which are true.

He made a big mistake though, he should have let them have a comment first - i would have given them 24 hours to respond then put it up but i am dam well sure i wouldnt be taking it down after reading the email exchanged on reddit.
Still i like his work and its going to upset a lot of folk, thats just tough - and i hope he pulls no punches on future videos.

Lets be honest, Intel and Nvidia are due lots of slagging for some of the stunts they pull and AMD are due plenty of digs at competency, especially RTG.
 
sideways14a said:
Lot of postings from folk not having paid attention to his claims, which are true.

He made a big mistake though, he should have let them have a comment first - i would have given them 24 hours to respond then put it up but i am dam well sure i wouldnt be taking it down after reading the email exchanged on reddit.
Still i like his work and its going to upset a lot of folk, thats just tough - and i hope he pulls no punches on future videos.

Lets be honest, Intel and Nvidia are due lots of slagging for some of the stunts they pull and AMD are due plenty of digs at competency, especially RTG.
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"email exchanged on reddit" ? Link please.
 
sideways14a said:
Here you go, its pcpers response to all this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/7tdm7k/pcpers_response_to_the_recent_ethical_concerns/


At bit.... hmmm, lots of unhappy folk posting in that thread.
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Yeah very hmmm....

I also think AMD should distance themselves from PcPer, be a lot smarter about what and how they involve themselves with reviewers, certainly AMD are in the habit of acknowledging problems they need to fix that aren't necessarily anything to do with them, the Free Sync thing is a classic example of this, by telling Ryan Shrout "they will look into fixing the ghosting issue" they are taking responsibility for issues that are not in fact theirs, and more over in that giving PcPer and their flawed findings legitimacy, which of course Ryan jumps on and uses.

If i was AMD i would all but completely ignore PcPer, when they do things like claim they found problems with whatever of theirs; ignore them. not say anything at all to them, make them say "AMD are not responding to our questions".
 
you have to be stupid to not see that he is correct and the others should not be getting away with what they are doing. many people will have bought gsync monitors and nvidia gpus based on that flawed review which they have not retracted or corrected properly. its hard not to look like an AMD fan boy when you are the only one calling these people out of basically ruining the gpu market. they are trusted by many and even after seeing that video many will as much a fool as this other guy saying "oh hes AMD biased" "look hes calling someone out who uses Nvidia" etc etc. and then still go and buy their products based on these flawed reviews...

people should be giving pcper a load of ****. they have took peoples trust and **** on it.
 
Yes this indeed, its depressing.
Noobs dont know better. Hell i have spoken to several folk who actually think Linus tech tips is a professional review website, i mean.. FFS.. come on.

I recon all reviewers should be transparent about there work, they should show where they got equipment from, whether its loan or donated - they should be open about there financing and show money coming in and who is funding there channels.
 
I used to be a heavy contributor to AMDMB.com which believe or not was Ryan Shrouts first major forum before it became PCPer. That was about 2000-2003 and I was running several 462 socket overclocked thoroughbred CPU's and then AMD 64 processors on ABIT motherboards.

That forum was first class but appears to have gone downhill since.
 
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