'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane

Tuppy_Glossop said:
There must be some evidence that isn't in the public domain. Otherwise, why would they search in the Straits of Malacca ?
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Oh god, really.

Because another plane reported possible wreckage sighting. As well as some suggestions it might off turned around.

So far the door and oil slicks have come back as unrelated debris.
 
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The BBC's map of the search area shows that whoever designed the new expanded search areas thinks the flight came back across Malaysia and out over the Malacca Strait. A plane with no power couldn't glide 300 miles, could it ? And if it had power, why no comms ?

I wouldn't dismiss entirely the possibility mooted in the other, short-lived, thread.
 
Glaucus said:
:rolleyes: how does that solve the issue at all. Shooting it down, still leaves wreckage. So in now way is that a theory for why no wreckage has been found.
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A more paranoid observer might suggest that whoever shot it down would know exactly where to look but might be deliberately obfuscating for security reasons.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
A more paranoid observer might suggest that whoever shot it down would know exactly where to look but might be deliberately obfuscating for security reasons.
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You mean someone with mental illness. Look at the area they're covering. Its also 10 different countries.

Its also not the first time that a plane has taken a while to find. As I've said many times before. Adam air Flight 574 took 9 days to find. And even underwater equipment failed to locate it. A Fishman eventually found some debris. It went missing on the 1st of jan, underwater survey thought they found it on the 8th but turned out not to be, Fishman finds debris on the 11th, black boxes located on the 21st. Boxes finally recovered many months later on the 27th august
 
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Russinating said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447

Or am I getting confused? :confused:
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Nutella33 said:
Nope I misread, it was a week till they found the aircraft not the boxes :)

That would also suggest the ELT and sonar pingers have a longer life than 30 days....
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Glaucus said:
The wreckage was found within a week, but took two years to find and recover the black boxes.
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The wreckage was found after a day.

The aircraft disappeared on 1st June 2009. Wreckage was found on the 2nd June. Black boxes yes, that took a hell of a lot longer.

On 1 June 2009, the Airbus A330-203 airliner serving the flight crashed into the Atlantic Ocean, resulting in the deaths of all 216 passengers and 12 aircrew........... By early afternoon on 1 June, officials with Air France and the French government had already presumed that the aircraft had been lost with no survivors. An Air France spokesperson told L'Express that there was "no hope for survivors",[61][62][63] and French President Nicolas Sarkozy told relatives of the passengers that there was only a minimal chance that anyone survived.[64] On 2 June at 15:20 (UTC), a Brazilian Air Force Embraer R-99A spotted wreckage and signs of oil, possibly jet fuel, strewn along a 5 km (3 mi) band 650 km (400 mi) north-east of Fernando de Noronha Island, near the Saint Peter and Saint Paul Archipelago. The sighted wreckage included an aircraft seat, an orange buoy, a barrel, and "white pieces and electrical conductors".[65][66] Later that day, after meeting with relatives of the Brazilians on the aircraft, Brazilian Defence Minister Nelson Jobim announced that the Air Force believed the wreckage was from Flight 447.[67][68] Brazilian vice-president José Alencar (acting as president since Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva was out of the country) declared three days of official mourning.[68][69]
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Looks like I might have a few apologies to make. I ridiculed my friends that were massively into the TV show "Lost" way back when as I claimed 'in this day and age it would be impossible to just lose a plane'.

Clearly I was wrong
 
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estebanrey said:
Looks like I might have a few apologies to make. I ridiculed my friends that were massively into the TV show "Lost" way back when as I claimed 'in this day and age it would be impossible to just lost a plane'.

Clearly I was wrong
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By now you'd think there'd be at least an inkling. But no, not a single clue about where it is.
 
Glaucus said:
You mean someone with mental illness. Look at the area they're covering. Its also 10 different countries.
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I don't believe it myself (hence 'wouldn't dismiss entirely') but I don't rule it out. If something catastrophic happened when radar was lost I find it hard to believe the plane could have glided (glode ? :) ) 300 miles, never mind partially over land where it should have been picked up.

I don't see an adequate explanation as to how the two search areas can be so far apart.
 
Well it isn't so far apart, did you miss the middle search area over land.

Glide slope for modern planes is roughly 1:15 so about 100miles if I've done the maths right.

Also you dont know what was working and what wasn't, just because they loose radio communication, doesn't mean they don't have some control.
 
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As in, if something catastrophic happened and cut off comms they should only be searching in a 150 mile radius of the last known position. But they are searching in a very specific direction. And further then 200 miles away from last contact.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
So 100 miles. Doesn't add up for me.
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Debit you wouldn't rule out it being shoot down. So it disspaered from radar, flew over land, then was shot down and still no sign of wreckage?

No one atm knows what happened. But some things are much less likely than others, and the op to suggest things like being shot down due to lack of debris makes absolutely no sense.

And it could be as some are suggesting. That as the military radar shows them turning around, that they have simply enlarged the search area as nothing so far has been found in the initial area.
 
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Everything we see is pure conjecture until the FDR and CVR is recovered. As a self-proclaimed aviation buff I have some gut feelings which align with a few in this thread (knowledgeable hijacker disabling all electrics then crashing the plane, a bomb causing catastrophic structural failure, or something like metal fatigue leading to a catastrophic structural failure) but these a purely based on the fact that we have a modern airliner which seems to have disappeared like a fart in the wind after disappearing from secondary radar. Nothing else is publicly known and I sincerely hope it was quick for the passengers on board.
 
Glaucus said:
And it could be as some are suggesting. That as the military radar shows them turning around, that they have simply enlarged the search area as nothing so far has been found in the initial area.
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I still contend that there must be contradictory evidence since they seem unsure which side of Malaysia it might be on. If they expanded the search area uniformly in each direction from the point of last contact I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
 
Glaucus said:
Oh no, two auto corrected words.
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To be fair there are a lot of errors in that post even after you have edited it. ;)

squerble said:
Everything we see is pure conjecture until the FDR and CVR is recovered. As a self-proclaimed aviation buff I have some gut feelings which align with a few in this thread (knowledgeable hijacker disabling all electrics then crashing the plane, a bomb causing catastrophic structural failure, or something like metal fatigue leading to a catastrophic structural failure) but these a purely based on the fact that we have a modern airliner which seems to have disappeared like a fart in the wind after disappearing from secondary radar. Nothing else is publicly known and I sincerely hope it was quick for the passengers on board.
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I don't consider it feasible that a Hijacker could disable all the planes electronics, and what would the point be?

Catastrophic airframe failure seems to be the only feasible "natural cause" for this crash with the available information, unless perhaps there was some kind of fire that ravaged the planes electronics causing both the transponder and comms to fail, because a simple electrical failure shouldn't cause a plane to crash.
 
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