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Core 9000 series

I work for a global manufacturing company with sites in every part of the world. My job role is client hardware, which includes procurement, distribution, upgrades, configs, rollouts etc etc.
We buy client hardware only from Dell, our server infrastructure again is all Dell, our network infrastructure is now all Cisco.

I spend a lot of time on the Dell Portal, and as yet I've not seen a Ryzen based laptop, desktop or HEDT Workstation. Our cycle on client hardware is 3 years, but the minute I see Dell add Ryzen to Latitudes and XPS systems I will swap our client machines across, I have had this discussion with other IT teams around the world and many are in agreement. The FC's want us to spend as little as possible so they will add pressure to make the swap if there is a decent cost saving towards opex.
Corporate world is indeed likely going to be faster than people for discarding Intel only ideology.
Lowering expenses in something while getting overall same thing/better "bang for buck", is always advantage for any kind company.
It's just that Ryzen has existed barely year and half.
Which is short time when hardware replacing cycle is from that 3 years up to likely 5 years.
Also big OEMs haven't been exactly fast in offering AMD based alternatives.

Though Intel's production capacity shortage is likely going to give major help for AMD.
Intel must be regretting failure to equip that one "wrapped in shrinkwrap to wait 10nm" factory for 14nm node.


And what if it's because the retailers know their allocation is 50 cpus total.

You can't buy it if it's not available so if you have prior knowledge that supply is going to be complete garbage the correct decision is to milk the few whales who will buy no matter what.
Yeah, Intel had supply problems already year ago with Coffee Lake.
Now when Intel has problems in shipping high profit margin server products and normal CPUs for big market PC OEMs, consumer/retail market isn't going to "draw long stick".

And that won't change until Intel gets clear increase to production capacity, or demand drops.
Server product clients are wrong place to tell "our priority is elsewhere".
And market PC OEMs are certainly wanting to get ready for the Christmas/end of the year sales and neglecting them isn't good idea either.
 
Corporate world is indeed likely going to be faster than people for discarding Intel only ideology.
Lowering expenses in something while getting overall same thing/better "bang for buck", is always advantage for any kind company.
It's just that Ryzen has existed barely year and half.
Which is short time when hardware replacing cycle is from that 3 years up to likely 5 years.
Also big OEMs haven't been exactly fast in offering AMD based alternatives.

Though Intel's production capacity shortage is likely going to give major help for AMD.
Intel must be regretting failure to equip that one "wrapped in shrinkwrap to wait 10nm" factory for 14nm node.


Yeah, Intel had supply problems already year ago with Coffee Lake.
Now when Intel has problems in shipping high profit margin server products and normal CPUs for big market PC OEMs, consumer/retail market isn't going to "draw long stick".

And that won't change until Intel gets clear increase to production capacity, or demand drops.
Server product clients are wrong place to tell "our priority is elsewhere".
And market PC OEMs are certainly wanting to get ready for the Christmas/end of the year sales and neglecting them isn't good idea either.

Honestly we try to get around 7 years out of our server purchases - and the reason for that is, to keep the costs of buying the equipment below moving to the cloud..
 
I think I'm probably going to upgrade from the 8700k to the 9900k, even though the US price is 50 more than I was expecting the UK price to be. If I do buy then I'll be importing and saving 100 quid.
For me the combo of the extra clockspeed, cores and STIM is worth the 200ish it is going to cost to upgrade after selling my 8700k given how I use and intend to use my PC. The limited hardware fixes implemented this time round are also nice to have over the 8700k, but not a major factor in my decision making process.

I won't pay the ridiculous UK prices. I still think the 9900k is overpriced, and no, i don't agree with the dodgy commissioned benchmarks.

Then again when real non biased benchmarks are released, depending on the results, I may decide that the 9900k is considerably overpriced for the performance it offers and decide to stick with what I have for a while longer. :confused:

Right now tho I'm looking at the US preorder sites and my wallet is trembling. :p
 
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Half tempted to sell off my x99 stuff and pre order the 9900K from the rainforest site since it's cheaper than UK pricing.. but, swapping from a 5820k I'm not even sure it's worth it for my needs. Would be something if it had hardware fixes for the vulnerabilities.

Either way though we're probably not seeing any big leaps until that Ocean Cove comes along. Be interesting to see how Zen 2 stacks up too obviously.
 
Half tempted to sell off my x99 stuff and pre order the 9900K from the rainforest site since it's cheaper than UK pricing.. but, swapping from a 5820k I'm not even sure it's worth it for my needs. Would be something if it had hardware fixes for the vulnerabilities.

Either way though we're probably not seeing any big leaps until that Ocean Cove comes along. Be interesting to see how Zen 2 stacks up too obviously.

It has 2 confirmed hardware fixes to mitigate the worst of the exploits / bugs as far as i'm aware and the rest are microcode / software.
 
What went wrong with your ASRock board out of curiosity, also had you had it long?

There was an issue with the SATA ports, I don't know if it was the controller or the ports or the socket or what the problem was. I had owned it for about 9 months or so and when I contacted the place I bought it from I was offered a refund or replacement. Since z390 was around the corner I took the refund.
 
Oops. I was just casually browsing the web over lunch and have also pre-ordered a 9900K from distant lands. Was planning to wait for reviews, but sod it.

What a farcical situation.
 
Right now tho I'm looking at the US preorder sites and my wallet is trembling. :p
If you are contemplating then I would get your order in now and join the queue. Remember that you can easily cancel and they don't charge up front, so you can continue to deliberate.

Given the demand/supply it is likely that reviews will be out before these start shipping anyway.
 
If you are contemplating then I would get your order in now and join the queue. Remember that you can easily cancel and they don't charge up front, so you can continue to deliberate.

Given the demand/supply it is likely that reviews will be out before these start shipping anyway.

Pretty much this, I've ordered one and have plenty of time to cancel if need be.
 
VMware wise you need the same hardware for drs and ha across the cluster, other than that you can add the amd hypervisors set up drs and ha etc across that cluster and then migrate the machines using vmotion so no downtime. Hardware Enhanced VMotion between Intel and AMD platforms has been part of VMware since build 3.5 and it works. It really shouldn't be difficult to migrate machines across without down time depending of course on your storage infrastructure and capacity for momentary loss of connection, like yourselves we run on 0 downtime. As yet i've not seen any issues in running clones of all of our 30 some odd VM servers successfully on a TR hypervisor and have even vmotioned between intel and ryzen. With the now mature TR and SP3 platforms I see no reason not to invest in epyc as my next infrastructure given its performance per socket and power draw I can already tell you the next upgrade to our servers and i think that will be a cluster of the next gen dl385's. Licensing wise a lot of companies including microsoft seem to be changing over to a per core based licensing model which im not all that impressed with tbh but it's good to see that vmware are holding ground with the per socket licensing so the density gained there can save a few quid.

Really contrary to what you're saying above with a big estate you could save a fortune in vmware licensing by migrating your infrastructure, rather than an unfortunately the fact that your infrastructure is hardware agnostic should be a massive plus.


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That's a techy a tech post as I've read in a while on here :D
 
It's so farcical that you pre-ordered it without reviews? Do you think that will stop it happening again in the future?
The farce I was referring to is - as pointed out by many people - the fact that people can import a product for significantly less than buying it domestically.

Whether I'm a victim of Intel's inflated prices is dependent on the value I put on the product, and clearly I don't have a problem with that (at the US price at least). Also, I'm upgrading from a 6700k so a significant performance increase is guaranteed by virtue of having twice as many cores. And before you mention it, I'm aware that games performance doesn't scale like that, but 3D rendering certainly does.

Besides, chances are my order won't ship until some time after the 19th so I have plenty of time to come to my senses :)
 
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