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Core 9000 series

Gibbo said:
Now all the people who ordered, no shipments made, no dates given, its obvious an error was made though no doubt a very much on purpose error, its obvious they never had any and are now trying to worm there way out by not giving any concrete ETA.
Plus even they now increased the price.
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As much as I know you'd love to believe that, we both know a $1T dollar value company really doesn't give two hoots about selling a few CPU's, and no where near enough to intentionally mislead people as to the date of delivery. You already said it yourself, Intel have not supplied retail boxed product basically in volume anywhere, there are some boxed CPU's floating around in Taiwan (yes in stock I could even send you a link if you want) and a few in the USA at stupid prices, but the fact remains that Intel has not delivered on the promised stock quantity, that is all, no conspiracy theory needed to try and show some sort of superior customer service.

Oh Ps. they work on a price matching algo much like a Google bot does scanning the web, then auto matching the prices to their competitors. If you don't believe it, drop one of your items to the lowest prices of anyone, and it will ahve usually been matched in 2 hours, but again we know that you already know this.
 
I don't quite get it why it is right now that Intel has problems with manufacturing? They were selling way more (no amd competition) few years ago and there wasn't any problem. It isn't that people are buying a lot because as Gibbo says they can't even get them in stock.
 
haszek said:
I don't quite get it why it is right now that Intel has problems with manufacturing? They were selling way more (no amd competition) few years ago and there wasn't any problem. It isn't that people are buying a lot because as Gibbo says they can't even get them in stock.
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It's due to the amount of capacity available in the 14nm fabs, they didn't plan on being at 14nm for so long and as such now have a huge catalogue of products demanding that fab space. They also made some crazy decisions, like not tooling up fab 42 as 14nm, but instead delaying it 3-4 years and making it 7nm whic his now costing them dearly. There are lots of other examples, but basically they made a few boo-boo's and now consumers and business alike are paying the price. :(
 
haszek said:
I don't quite get it why it is right now that Intel has problems with manufacturing? They were selling way more (no amd competition) few years ago and there wasn't any problem. It isn't that people are buying a lot because as Gibbo says they can't even get them in stock.
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Some sites are claiming it is due to some of the parts they are producing for other companies like Apple that while small so don't use a lot of wafer capacity are numerous quantity wise causing saturation of their ability to handle per unit.
 
Journey said:
As much as I know you'd love to believe that, we both know a $1T dollar value company really doesn't give two hoots about selling a few CPU's, and no where near enough to intentionally mislead people as to the date of delivery. You already said it yourself, Intel have not supplied retail boxed product basically in volume anywhere, there are some boxed CPU's floating around in Taiwan (yes in stock I could even send you a link if you want) and a few in the USA at stupid prices, but the fact remains that Intel has not delivered on the promised stock quantity, that is all, no conspiracy theory needed to try and show some sort of superior customer service.

Oh Ps. they work on a price matching algo much like a Google bot does scanning the web, then auto matching the prices to their competitors. If you don't believe it, drop one of your items to the lowest prices of anyone, and it will ahve usually been matched in 2 hours, but again we know that you already know this.
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Our hosts though are showing 10+ in stock and at the RRP of £600. So anyone on here with a big enough +balance in the the bank and the need for it can buy it.
 
hominid said:
I would agree on principle sure.. Manufacturing gets better all the time, yealds improve as they iron out more issues from the process. Intels 14nm+++ with the 9900k is about topped out, they did very well getting an 8 core CPU to 4.7GHz on 14nm, but you can tell that it's very near the limit just by the amount of extra heat it'll put out just by increasing the clock speed by 100MHz. Getting it to 5GHz, so +300MHz from the 4.7GHz all core turbo, is a massive increase in the heat output. If you can get one stable @5GHz you'll need it to be under water, not sure of the output but at a guess I'd say 250-300W.

I think, hope, Zen2 will kick intels' arse, and I don't think they can have a reply to it for 6 months at least.
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Apparently the 9900k doesn't use much more power then the 8700k?
 
Journey said:
As much as I know you'd love to believe that, we both know a $1T dollar value company really doesn't give two hoots about selling a few CPU's, and no where near enough to intentionally mislead people as to the date of delivery. You already said it yourself, Intel have not supplied retail boxed product basically in volume anywhere, there are some boxed CPU's floating around in Taiwan (yes in stock I could even send you a link if you want) and a few in the USA at stupid prices, but the fact remains that Intel has not delivered on the promised stock quantity, that is all, no conspiracy theory needed to try and show some sort of superior customer service.

Oh Ps. they work on a price matching algo much like a Google bot does scanning the web, then auto matching the prices to their competitors. If you don't believe it, drop one of your items to the lowest prices of anyone, and it will ahve usually been matched in 2 hours, but again we know that you already know this.
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Yes we know they auto match prices, it is why generally a deal can no longer be done, you make a deal, its matched within hours, they are a great follower. Sometimes they do eventually revert price back up when they realise they cannot get it or maybe its too big a loss even for them, though they will sell at a loss and try to claim back later from manufacturer sometimes with success and sometimes without. Hence also a reason why we simply move more towards exclusive brands and refuse to sell them to them because of course they have their uses which is a much larger audience so of course we sell some of our own products via them too.

Our customer service in many ways is superior because at OcUK your talking to the people doing the deals, making the decisions and not just a generic customer service rep reading from a script book. Hence why we emailed our customers about delay on retail before the day of launch and offered the tray option as an alternative, something they cannot do.
I've said it many a time with OcUK you can buy a product, get technical support, even get the parts put together for you, that is our strength, were a specialist, not a box shifter.
 
kitfit1 said:
Our hosts though are showing 10+ in stock and at the RRP of £600. So anyone on here with a big enough +balance in the the bank and the need for it can buy it.
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Yes we have close to 1k in stock, well we did on Friday I gave 210 units to our SI/8 Pack department for system use and de-lidding and pre-binning services.
The remaining warehouse stock got a good hammering on Friday as we shipped a few hundred to customers, plus whatever we have sold over weekend so were expecting to be under 400 left in stock, but I have got a further 1000 units due in next ten days as well so in theory we should be able to keep stock healthy.

If we get to a point where we have several thousand in stock and all of our group companies are also healthy, because I do supply our group companies with inventory as well so Caseking, Jimms PC, Globaldata, Kellytech but if we still have huge volumes after this we shall start to look at doing deals, if all goes well we'd expect to be able to do some deals around November on tray, but by deal I mean say around £550, I can't see us been under £500 as unfortunately I mix stock, so some stock arrives at the correct cost from Intel, but we also have stock coming from other suppliers who add shortage tax onto the product, resulting in our average cost been higher, hence any chances of sub £500 on tray are very unlikely.

My gut feeling on retail is the price will go up, the supply is way below demand and leadtimes will be 2-4 weeks from ordering.

Shall look at a bundle over coming week, shall no doubt be Aorus Master, Aorus RAM Kit and FREE SSD, like our 8086K bundle, good kit and Gigabyte supply the FREE SSD. :)
 
I had a feeling that I would be gutted about getting the 8086k a few months ago,, but Im still happy with my 8086k I bought, seeing that the 9900k is over £200+ more then when I bought my 8086k and I have got all my cores running at 4.9 and very few 9900k's will get to 4.9ghz on all cores, but we still dont really know how well it clocks yet.

So yeah im still happy with my 8086k as I dont think Id pay much more then £400 for a cpu, mine cost £380
 
BriT said:
The Intel prices are ridiculous at the moment.
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If the 9900k was guaranteed to overclock to 5ghz on all cores, £600 isn't too bad as your getting 2 more cores and all 8 running at 5ghz.Just think about it for a second "8 cores running at 5ghz for £600". If you wanted a i9 a few months ago that would clock near that speed, you would be paying double that price.

For gamming theres very little difference from 6 to 8 cores at the moment, but the 9900k would last longer into the future with the extra 2 cores then the 8700k/8086k, thats if its a good overclocker.

Edit: Just realized, the 2066 i9's are 10cores, 20threads sorry.. But you get what I mean.
 
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Phil2008 said:
For gamming theres very little difference from 6 to 8 cores at the moment, but the 9900k would last longer into the future with the extra 2 cores then the 8700k/8086k, thats if its a good overclocker.
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Lol, by the time games are using 8-cores to any significant advantage over 6-cores, the 9900K will be a relic! We'll be many generations ahead by then, so in and of itself that is a terrible reason to buy it. An 8700K/8086K at a good price is a FAR better choice if someone is determined to stick with Intel for that extra gaming performance boost over AMD.
 
humbug said:
You're running 200 FPS on a GTX 1070 at 1080P, i don't believe you, here is a GTX 1070, the GPU load is 100% and round 80 FPS.

You're full of it.
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People seeking high refresh rate gaming usually turn down visual quality settings to improve frametimes and overall responsiveness. Even once they reach the fps they are seeking. Not always, but this is common.

That video was on ultra settings which anyone seeking 144/240 for an fps is unlikely to be using.

I'm not saying the claim DG made is true. I have no idea.

If you want to check if it is possible then you would need to find someone running the game at low quality with the 1070.
 
Phil2008 said:
If the 9900k was guaranteed to overclock to 5ghz on all cores, £600 isn't too bad as your getting 2 more cores and all 8 running at 5ghz.Just think about it for a second "8 cores running at 5ghz for £600". If you wanted a i9 a few months ago that would clock near that speed, you would be paying double that price.

For gamming theres very little difference from 6 to 8 cores at the moment, but the 9900k would last longer into the future with the extra 2 cores then the 8700k/8086k, thats if its a good overclocker.

Edit: Just realized, the 2066 i9's are 10cores, 20threads sorry.. But you get what I mean.
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The 2066 CPU's are also mesh topology rather than Ringbus which makes a performance difference in games. Some would argue not much, but for others it's enough to consider it a bad idea. There are a few very unique situations where people have a requirement for just pure Frequency and IPC on a single core with a few support cores. The 9xxx just don't fit that bill. For overall perf though I don't see the benefit in 12% FPS improvement for 200% price using the 2700X as a comparison. That 12% is also quite generous given the embargo lift tests out now.
 
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