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Core 9000 series

I don't think AMD will be forced to cut any prices if the leaked 9th generation prices are true. If the i7-9700K was the same price as the i7-8700K maybe they would have.

Hell, they might not have to in the GPU space either which is a bloody shame. I was kinda hoping the GTX 2060 would force AMD to make the RX 580 cheaper but any hope of that has gone right out the window. :p
 
@LePhuronn Delid is still better than solder, der8auer de-soldered a few CPUs and using liquid metal always improved thermals from just a few C to even close to 10C on older big dies like Broadwell-E.
Soldered is less of a hassle, but liquid metal will still give you better thermals because the solder sheets they use are thicker than a small layer of LM.

Also the paste they use isn't bad, it's a Corning polymer TIM optimised for long therm stability (at least the one on the more recent CPUs). Theoretically the CPUs with "toothpaste" should outlast the soldered ones, but that's over very long periods of time with lots of thermal cycling.
Delid is better for extreme overclockers, but soldered is probably better for most people, so it's good that they're soldering again.
 
AndreiD said:
@LePhuronnAlso the paste they use isn't bad, it's a Corning polymer TIM optimised for long therm stability (at least the one on the more recent CPUs). Theoretically the CPUs with "toothpaste" should outlast the soldered ones, but that's over very long periods of time with lots of thermal cycling.
Delid is better for extreme overclockers, but soldered is probably better for most people, so it's good that they're soldering again.
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Soldered is better not only for removing the heat, but also for the power consumption of the chips. Hotter chips die sooner.
 
LePhuronn said:
I'd say that was the perfect example of why the IHS should always have been soldered in the first place. I'm not sure what you're getting at with such uneven comparisons; the 8700K had awful temps because of Intel's patented toothpaste and proven to be the issue once delidding happened. I should imagine the 9900K would have been even worse if Intel stuck with the crud. But suddenly they're back to solder and all is well.

"Hey, the i9 can hit 5GHz without cooking itself no problem, so the 8700K wasn't bad after all, you Intel haterz!" is basically what you're saying. Solder the 8700K and the temp argument would never have even started.
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Sure Intel should have always soldered the IHS, i totally agree with that.
My point is that people are defending their amd purchased by nitpicking at Intel's cpus to make themselves feel somehow competitive whikst spending far less.
The 8700k would certainly benefit from solder as my 8700k went down 20 degrees once delidded with liquid metal, but the ipc was still superior to amd and still clocked higher and outperformed amd core for core even before delidding.

My point is that hot or not, amd wouldnt even boot at 5ghz so the temp argument becomes pretty null and void. I'm sure the 8700k WITH the pigeon poop tim would stay just as cool if not cooler than amd if it was running at amds max overclocks and yet still outdo it on ipc.
 
Jamie Archer said:
Sure Intel should have always soldered the IHS, i totally agree with that.
My point is that people are defending their amd purchased by nitpicking at Intel's cpus to make themselves feel somehow competitive whikst spending far less.
The 8700k would certainly benefit from solder as my 8700k went down 20 degrees once delidded with liquid metal, but the ipc was still superior to amd and still clocked higher and outperformed amd core for core even before delidding.

My point is that hot or not, amd wouldnt even boot at 5ghz so the temp argument becomes pretty null and void. I'm sure the 8700k WITH the pigeon poop tim would stay just as cool if not cooler than amd if it was running at amds max overclocks and yet still outdo it on ipc.
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A friend of mine has a 2700x at 4.2 and that got upto 80c whilst running cinebench on a 280mm AIO.
It would melt at 5ghz, if it could clock that high in the first place.
 
You are comparing chips manufactured by GlobalFoundries 12nm process and Intel 14+++nm process.
The really interesting things will happen next year:
GlobalFoundries needs undefined time to fix its 7nm process;
Intel needs undefined time to fix its 10nm process;
while AMD will happily manufacture 7nm Ryzen 3 at TSMC 7nm process.
 
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