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you want an msrp 9900k buy from the jungle usa, they are selling coffeelake at msrp.
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If it's like anything else (iPhones, etc), then it'll be £580.
i9 is going to make X299 look reasonable.
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Exactly. You're in the UK and will be shafted regardless of MSRP
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Might as well go TR now then, i can 99% guarantee that the 9900K is going to be £500+, there may be some MSRP chips on release for sub £500 but these will be extremely limited supply and i fully expect within hours of release the chips to be £500+ probably closer to the £600 mark.
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I don't understand why anyone would compare HEDT, with £300+ motherboards, to a normal desktop chip? Why not just get the Ryzen 2700X, they are <£300, have 8c/16t and will be able to take the newer CPU's due out next year, and the year after that, probably with more cores too.
Becos I was looking at threadripper intially and talked myself down on cost thinking the 9900 series might be a better bang for buck option for my usecase. And if I'm going to drop £1k on a CPU and mobo getting a 9900 series I might aswell move to HEDT instead..... similar cost, get extra cores, extra PCIe lanes so I can install more NVMe drives etc and bin off traditional disk & SSD in the long run and gain other chipset features like 10gbe etc adding to future proof of the mobo.
I cant bring myself to buy another Ryzen right now (i already have a x370 1600x system in my 2nd machine so not against AMD or ryzen in anyway) with 7nm round the corner and new chipset hopefully offering more Pcie lanes next year I would want to waift for that, I've been waiting long enough and have too many parts hanging around to wait for another 6-12 months...
I cant bring myself to buy another Ryzen right now (i already have a x370 1600x system in my 2nd machine so not against AMD or ryzen in anyway) with 7nm round the corner and new chipset hopefully offering more Pcie lanes next year I would want to waift for that, I've been waiting long enough and have too many parts hanging around to wait for another 6-12 months...
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Well taking the lowest possible cost for a TR build using first gen CPU's, and MSI board, you are looking at £375 for a 1920X and £285 for motherboard, which is £760. Obviously the draw back of the HEDT system, unless you are planning on overclocking using very good cooling and get lucky with the chip you won't see past 4.1GHz, which will be significantly slower than what you can expect from 9700K/9900K, you do gain an extra 4-cores/8-threads on the 1920X, but unless you are doing a lot of multi-core intensive work will less dependence on clock speed, then it's not going to benefit you, and you have to also allow for adding four RAM modules rather than two.
With regards to the extra PCI-E lanes that is one thing I can attest to, having built quite a number or TR workstation type machines using quad NVMe drive carriers and such those extra lanes are invaluable, but they were specifically needed for those projects and not something you'd normally associate with an average user. Using a larger NVMe drive is just as effective as adding more in most cases, generally two would be enough for anyone especially when we are stuck on PCI-E 3.0 and they are starting to maximise the bandwidth available on a 4x slot. If you are just looking for more IOPS and lower latency for things like multiple VM's running databases etc. in a access heavy workload then the Intel 900P drives are currently the best, followed closely by the not yet available Samsung drives that utilise Z-NAND (SZ985).
What do you actually use your system(s) for, what programs do you use that will benefit for either higher clock speed or more cores?
..Or you could just have a bit of patience, wait a few months for things to settle down, stock levels to normalise and then buy the CPU you really want.
This need to have everything today, right now, is just ridiculous.
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This makes zero sense, you have waited long enough you cannot wait another 6 months for 7nm will can potentially rinse the 9900k and be much cheaper and also will be on a socket that another revision and generation will probably drop straight into?
Im on a 1700 and i was tempted by the 9900k, however the sensible part of me says wait til 7nm AMD, and just move to that platform, hopefully with PCIE4 added, and then when 7nm AMD GPU drops just replace my 1070 with that.
Other than better single threaded performance, the 9900k is going to offer zero over the 2700X really, id be surprised if the 9900k actually beats the 2700x in multithreaded apps as well, given AMD has a better MT performance than Intel, i think it may even out and possibly tilt in AMDs favour, so if your buying for single threaded gaming performance, just pick up an 8700K now or even the 8600...
If your citing productivity as well, then just wait a little longer, AMD is going to release 7nm and i reckon they will have Zen 2 refresh out before Intel get on to 10nm, potentially pushing them even farther ahead of Intel.
People need to start shedding this idea that Intel is the be all and end all of CPUs now, yes currently they have a single threaded performance lead, as you go up resolutions from 1080p to 1440p and 4k this lead becomes negligible as the GPU becomes the bottle neck, so if your workload consists of multithreaded apps, then actually going Intel is actually a step backwards as AMD's multithreaded performance is actually better than Intels, and again once AMD go to 7nm i expect AMD at minimum to match intels current IPC if not push past it, and in turn the MT gap will increase even further in AMD's favour.
In Short, AMD is the better option now if your using anything that uses Multithreaded performance and once 7nm releases, AMD will more than likely take the single threaded crown, potentially for the 2nd version of Zen2 as well or Zen2+ if you will, while Intel still struggle to get onto 10nm, but if your worried about the here and now and single threaded performance only, then yeah buy Intel and forget the 9900k as i doubt it is going to be any faster significantly than the 8700k / 8086k.
If you game at 1080p on a 1080ti and do multithreaded workloads then get your priorities straight and move up a resolution or two
and just buy AMD lol, save yourself some cash for a better monitor 
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FWIW the i9 9900k was listed on a european site for €579 but has now been removed, that translates to £510 roughly... the 9700k was €453 which is basically £400.. id say those are the msrp's as they are higher than the 8 series i7's, now to see how much gouging gets added to those prices.
Release is stated to be October 19th.
Release is stated to be October 19th.
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I'm getting the feeling that some people are forgetting the point that AMD have committed to AM4 until 2020, so it's hardly pointless going for a 2700X now when you can just drop in a 3700X in 6-9 months and make no other changes.
Get a decent X470 motherboard to give you a modicum of future proofing, grab a 2700X now and then see what the 7nm 3000 series brings. If it's a good un, sell the 2700X. If not, keep the 2700X. We're not talking Intel here who change motherboards and sockets every 30 seconds.
And IF IF IF PCI-E 4 does come with the Ryzen 3000 then it's not big deal because the controller will be on the CPU. Worked for Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge on P67/Z68 back in the day, why would it be different for Ryzen?
Get a decent X470 motherboard to give you a modicum of future proofing, grab a 2700X now and then see what the 7nm 3000 series brings. If it's a good un, sell the 2700X. If not, keep the 2700X. We're not talking Intel here who change motherboards and sockets every 30 seconds.
And IF IF IF PCI-E 4 does come with the Ryzen 3000 then it's not big deal because the controller will be on the CPU. Worked for Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge on P67/Z68 back in the day, why would it be different for Ryzen?
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I take it the 7nm would go into a current 2700x board. This may sway me away from intel. Pretty tired of being forced to upgrade because they keep changing sockets. Currently on a 2500k 4.5ghz 1440p. Looking to upgrade amd or intel
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Problem is though this close to release its a kinda pointless waste of money when the "i should have waited" feeling kicks in, this close to 7nm the smart move is to wait it out, see what 7nm brings then adjudge what the best CPU to suit your needs and budget is...
Believe me ive almost pulled the trigger numerous times on a 2700X and a Vega 64, especially when ive had too much wine and im browsing OCUK etc lol... but the sensible part of me says wait it out, 7nm is close now, and with the holiday season coming up ahead gaming time for me personally will become limited (Wife + 2 small kids = end of free time in holiday season) so the sensible option is to wait it out.
Its incredibly hard to do at times believe me
but id hate to advise someone to drop a few hundred on a 2700X and a CH7 only for them to be beaten soundly for a little more cash next year
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Yes the 7nm 3700x if it is called that, will drop in an X470 board and if AMD do a refresh of that 3700X to 4700X (same 7nm but a refinement) that too will probably drop straight in as well. The only thing that is currently stopping me recommending an X470 board right now is the thought that with 7nm Zen there will probably be a refresh of the boards with newer features potentially.
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Thanks i may go this route now rather than hang about waiting on a 9th gen
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Ultimately it's not my money so whatever stance those looking to upgrade is their choice and gets my support.
Personally though I think there's much less risk of buyers' remorse and risk in this specific scenario. The shrink to 7nm will cut down on power draw so chunky VRMs built for a 12nmn 8 core should be sufficient for a 7nm 12 core, PCI-E 4 will be on the CPU so that upgrade comes for free (unless there's some beastly upgrade required for the traces or some incompatibility with how lanes are allocated with PCI-E 4), and I can't really think of what "new features" we could see strapped onto a refreshed X570 board that would be worth the wait. The 2700X would hold its value for a while so you wouldn't lose too much in selling it on to fund a 3700X (or whatever it's called).
And, to play Devil's Avocado, what happens if, in 7 months time, Ryzen 3000 wasn't worth waiting for over Ryzen 2000? Ya waited for nothing
Personally though I think there's much less risk of buyers' remorse and risk in this specific scenario. The shrink to 7nm will cut down on power draw so chunky VRMs built for a 12nmn 8 core should be sufficient for a 7nm 12 core, PCI-E 4 will be on the CPU so that upgrade comes for free (unless there's some beastly upgrade required for the traces or some incompatibility with how lanes are allocated with PCI-E 4), and I can't really think of what "new features" we could see strapped onto a refreshed X570 board that would be worth the wait. The 2700X would hold its value for a while so you wouldn't lose too much in selling it on to fund a 3700X (or whatever it's called).
And, to play Devil's Avocado, what happens if, in 7 months time, Ryzen 3000 wasn't worth waiting for over Ryzen 2000? Ya waited for nothing
In all honesty I mainly game but also use it for work and photo / video editing, I will mainly benefit right now from clock speed likely due to gaming being primary use. I have the following kit sat waiting for proc / mobo / RAM
Evolv X Case
2 x Samsung 970 Pro NVMe drives which I will raid (main reason I've discounted 2000 series Ryzen is the X470 chipset as I've not seen any that offer 2 x PCIe 3.0 x4 slots for multiple NVME drives)
Zotac AMP Extreme 1080 TI
I've been sat on some of these items for over 6 months now (been grabbing them when I've seen offers that I thought were well priced) and cant bring myself to let them to gather dust and lose more warranty for another 6 - 12 months waiting for 7nm Zen so was really hoping the 9900 would be ideal for me(wanting something to last me another 4 years) however I'm getting the feeling that if they end up costing close to a 2920x system (within £200 or so) I would be better giving my cash to AMD and supporting them plus the X399 mobo will likely last me a good 5 years with the feature set / pcie lanes it has an will take a new threadripper processor in 2 -3 years if I feel the want / need.
The machine I am waiting to replace is based on a 4770k and yes I am getting a little impatient but I could wait for every new generation and never buy anything cos something better is always coming along. I've got to the point that I want to upgrade this year so will choose between the 2 chipsets that cover my needs right now.
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You don't need two on-board m.2 slots, what's wrong with just getting the X470 and putting one of your m.2 drives in a carrier board like the Asus Hyper m.2 PCI_E card? (https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboard-Accessory/HYPER_M2_X4_MINI_CARD/) that way you can use both drives at full speed, no idea why you'd want to RAID them and risk all your data though, especially since it won't offer any noticeable performance increase since you can't copy to from another source at the same speed, and it can slow your system down due to overheads writing to separate drives in some instances, you'd be much better off running them as individual drives and getting the most from each one in all but a few cases.
If you are going to chose the X399 platform, I would say that the 2920X may represent poor value for money if it doesn't hit the £500 price point, and comes in at £630+ which is looking likely, and you'd be better off getting the 2950X, 16c/32t, which given how long you want the system to last would make more sense, and the price is holding about £800-850. It is a lot of money but if you can honestly justify it and it's not just going to be an e-peen gaming machine then you'd be crazy not to put it on your shortlist, along with the 2920X.