COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Tephnos said:
Since they don't mention which variant, I am presuming it is already the outdated BA.1 version.

Would rather have BA.5. Very unlikely people my age would get a spring booster containing BA.5, so we will get screwed again I bet.
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www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: UK first country to approve dual-strain vaccine

The bivalent vaccine will now form part of the booster campaign to be rolled out this autumn.
www.bbc.co.uk

"Moderna's vaccine targets both the original strain and the first Omicron variant (BA.1), which emerged last winter. It is known as a bivalent vaccine as it takes aim at two forms of Covid.
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Tests against more recent Omicron variants (BA.4 and BA.5), which are causing the UK's current wave, also showed higher levels of protection with the updated vaccine."
 
dowie said:
Why would you blindly trust the BBC with that?

N95 masks and similar clearly do stop plenty of people from getting covid, surgical masks do offer some protection.
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I'm not making the point of trusting the BBC with anything, apart from showing the gaslighting regarding the efficacy of mask wearing.

I did used to wonder how the ordinary, good people of Germany allowed such atrocities to happen during WW2 and hope it was never something I'd get to experience or witness. Unfortunately, the whole Covid saga has very much proved how utterly incapable most people appear to be when it comes to critical thinking and how easily lockdowns and draconian, unlawful restrictions upon our freedoms will again be placed upon us.
 
MatteH Oxford said:
I'm not making the point of trusting the BBC with anything, apart from showing the gaslighting regarding the efficacy of mask wearing.

I did used to wonder how the ordinary, good people of Germany allowed such atrocities to happen during WW2 and hope it was never something I'd get to experience or witness. Unfortunately, the whole Covid saga has very much proved how utterly incapable most people appear to be when it comes to critical thinking and how easily lockdowns and draconian, unlawful restrictions upon our freedoms will again be placed upon us.
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Your Godwin's Law trophy is in the post.
 
krooton said:
Your Godwin's Law trophy is in the post.
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Thanks. At least it would have been a worthy award!


Besides that, there's a good study regarding mask efficacy in Europe. Unfortunately not WW2 era :

www.cureus.com

Correlation Between Mask Compliance and COVID-19 Outcomes in Europe

Masking was the single most common non-pharmaceutical intervention in the course of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Most countries have implemented recommendations or mandates regarding the use of masks in public spaces. The aim of this short study was to analyse the...
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Conclusions​

While no cause-effect conclusions could be inferred from this observational analysis, the lack of negative correlations between mask usage and COVID-19 cases and deaths suggest that the widespread use of masks at a time when an effective intervention was most needed, i.e., during the strong 2020-2021 autumn-winter peak, was not able to reduce COVID-19 transmission. Moreover, the moderate positive correlation between mask usage and deaths in Western Europe also suggests that the universal use of masks may have had harmful unintended consequences.
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Puzzled said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Shanghai Covid: Ikea shoppers flee attempt to lock down store

Video shows people running out of the store in Xuhui district as guards tried to shut them in.
www.bbc.co.uk

Being locked in an Ikea store, I can't think of a worse punishment :eek:
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I know people love using 1984 all the time for anything they don’t like the government doing but geez in what world is dystopian nonsense like that now normal?!

Off to the shops to pick up your groceries and all of a sudden big brother locks you in there for 2 days cos there may have been a contact of a covid case in there at some point!

Feel it’s less ‘zero covid’ and more suppress the population over there now. Cos zero covid is an unattainable nonsense unless they plan on never letting anyone in ever again.
 
MatteH Oxford said:

Thanks. At least it would have been a worthy award!​

Besides that, there's a good study regarding mask efficacy in Europe. Unfortunately not WW2 era :​

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That's just looking at correlations among populations, you're just trying to deny reality here - wearing an N95 or similar offers good protection because it acts as a filter ergo you're not inhaling particles or small droplets containing Covid if you're breathing in air near to or where an infectious person has been.
 
MatteH Oxford said:
There was a 6 month study back in 1980 where the surgeons wore no masks in theatre, there was no discernible difference in infection rates when compared to surgeons wearing masks.

Source BMJ: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/
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There was no increase in the incidence of wound infection.

Since we're not concerned about wound infection and only transmission of diseases then masks are still valid and all our staff wear them.
You've got to be way down that rabbit hole to think otherwise.
 
I want to see the study on masks where they account for respiratory and other disease introduced to the mark wearer from:

1. Using the 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 10-day-old mask which is usually stored in your dirty pocket / handbag / car door card.
2. Touching everything in the shop/hospital/office/school, then your mask, multiple times an hour.
3. Repeating said behavior, every day for 2 years.

"But surgeons wear them so they must work". Clown planet.
 
mk1_salami said:
I want to see the study on masks where they account for respiratory and other disease introduced to the mark wearer from:

1. Using the 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 10-day-old mask which is usually stored in your dirty pocket / handbag / car door card.
2. Touching everything in the shop/hospital/office/school, then your mask, multiple times an hour.
3. Repeating said behavior, every day for 2 years.

"But surgeons wear them so they must work". Clown planet.
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Well you are an absolute clown if you do any of the first 3 points, even you should know that masks should be changed all the time.
Honestly you have no point if that's what you've been doing :)

I now know you are trolling coming out with that BS.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Well you are an absolute clown if you do any of the first 3 points, even you should know that masks should be changed all the time.
Honestly you have no point if that's what you've been doing :)

I now know you are trolling coming out with that BS.
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You think everyone changes their mask like they should? 14 year old school kids?

What people should do, and what people actually do are two very different things.

You must admit that these people exist right? And it's not a small group.
 
I rememember my vet, who is also a good friend saying 90% of none medically trained people will not use a mask properly, and will also touch their face unthinkingly whilst having handled potentially infected objects. So in fairness Salami does have a good point. Nonetheless, if I am going somewhere indoors, crowded, poorly ventilated and not feeling it's my lucky day, I consider a fresh from the packet, proper medical grade mask, worn the once, is worthwhile insurance cover. It's perhaps wishful thinking and I'm a dirty whatsit the rest of the time, but, heh.
 
mk1_salami said:
You think everyone changes their mask like they should? 14 year old school kids?

What people should do, and what people actually do are two very different things.

You must admit that these people exist right? And it's not a small group.
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100%, I'm also guilty of doing it, even in my NHS office HOWEVER I know what I'm doing is absolutely stupid and nobody should have any sympathy for me if I caught it again because of my stupidity.
 
mk1_salami said:
I want to see the study on masks where they account for respiratory and other disease introduced to the mark wearer from:
"But surgeons wear them so they must work". Clown planet.
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Masks stop you from spreading to others, they don't stop you catching off others unless you're using N95 or higher rated ones so not sure why disease introduced to the mask is important when we know the mask doesn't stop the wearer from catching
 
Chris Wilson said:
I rememember my vet, who is also a good friend saying 90% of none medically trained people will not use a mask properly, and will also touch their face unthinkingly whilst having handled potentially infected objects. So in fairness Salami does have a good point. Nonetheless, if I am going somewhere indoors, crowded, poorly ventilated and not feeling it's my lucky day, I consider a fresh from the packet, proper medical grade mask, worn the once, is worthwhile insurance cover. It's perhaps wishful thinking and I'm a dirty whatsit the rest of the time, but, heh.
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I was watching Noel Fitzpatrick Super Vet last night with 4 staff members operating on a dog and all wearing masks but Salami thinks it's pointless.

It's quite sad that people like Salami, probably millions of them, think mask wearing has been invented for Covid :)
Hospitals, even before the NHS, have been using them for well over a century, they are not new.
Way before Covid I'd walk round the hospital in search of Clinicians and made to wear a mask in certain wards because they know what they can prevent.
You've got to be two sandwiches short of a picnic to think otherwise.
 
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My vet is apparently a stickler for masks when forced into close proximity to other theatre staff.


He says they're magic at covering up any alcohol on his breath..... ;)
 
It’s pretty obvious that - when worn properly - masks may do something to help reduce spread of airborne disease.

The huge caveat is … when worn properly.

Which is almost never among the general population.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
I was watching Noel Fitzpatrick Super Vet last night with 4 staff members operating on a dog and all wearing masks but Salami thinks it's pointless.

It's quite sad that people like Salami, probably millions of them, think mask wearing has been invented for Covid :)
Hospitals, even before the NHS, have been using them for well over a century, they are not new.
Way before Covid I'd walk round the hospital in search of Clinicians and made to wear a mask in certain wards because they know what they can prevent.
You've got to be two sandwiches short of a picnic to think otherwise.
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They had the same arguments with people opposing them during Spanish Flu and we'll likely have the same arguments again when the next pandemic occurs (or if Covid pulls out a last minute surprise, hopefully not).

Some people seem to get very emotional over wearing a bit fabric on their face, as if it oppresses them or something. The arguments have been done to death though so no point trying to convince sceptics now.
 
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