Soldato
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COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion
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Covid: UK first country to approve dual-strain vaccine
The bivalent vaccine will now form part of the booster campaign to be rolled out this autumn.
www.bbc.co.uk
"Moderna's vaccine targets both the original strain and the first Omicron variant (BA.1), which emerged last winter. It is known as a bivalent vaccine as it takes aim at two forms of Covid.
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Tests against more recent Omicron variants (BA.4 and BA.5), which are causing the UK's current wave, also showed higher levels of protection with the updated vaccine."
Associate
There was a 6 month study back in 1980 where the surgeons wore no masks in theatre, there was no discernible difference in infection rates when compared to surgeons wearing masks.You should tell Surgeons they don't need to wear their masks because it's pointless, doesn't do anything
Source BMJ: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/
Associate
I'm not making the point of trusting the BBC with anything, apart from showing the gaslighting regarding the efficacy of mask wearing.
I did used to wonder how the ordinary, good people of Germany allowed such atrocities to happen during WW2 and hope it was never something I'd get to experience or witness. Unfortunately, the whole Covid saga has very much proved how utterly incapable most people appear to be when it comes to critical thinking and how easily lockdowns and draconian, unlawful restrictions upon our freedoms will again be placed upon us.
Caporegime
Well after nearly 2 months since testing positive, and over a month in hospital, my dad gets to come home today, woot!
Caporegime
Your Godwin's Law trophy is in the post.
Associate
Thanks. At least it would have been a worthy award!
Besides that, there's a good study regarding mask efficacy in Europe. Unfortunately not WW2 era :
Correlation Between Mask Compliance and COVID-19 Outcomes in Europe
Masking was the single most common non-pharmaceutical intervention in the course of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Most countries have implemented recommendations or mandates regarding the use of masks in public spaces. The aim of this short study was to analyse the...
www.cureus.com
Correlation Between Mask Compliance and COVID-19 Outcomes in Europe
Masking was the single most common non-pharmaceutical intervention in the course of the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. Most countries have implemented recommendations or mandates regarding the use of masks in public spaces. The aim of this short study was to analyse the...
www.cureus.com
Soldato
I know people love using 1984 all the time for anything they don’t like the government doing but geez in what world is dystopian nonsense like that now normal?!
Shanghai Covid: Ikea shoppers flee attempt to lock down store
Video shows people running out of the store in Xuhui district as guards tried to shut them in.www.bbc.co.uk
Being locked in an Ikea store, I can't think of a worse punishment
Off to the shops to pick up your groceries and all of a sudden big brother locks you in there for 2 days cos there may have been a contact of a covid case in there at some point!
Feel it’s less ‘zero covid’ and more suppress the population over there now. Cos zero covid is an unattainable nonsense unless they plan on never letting anyone in ever again.
That's just looking at correlations among populations, you're just trying to deny reality here - wearing an N95 or similar offers good protection because it acts as a filter ergo you're not inhaling particles or small droplets containing Covid if you're breathing in air near to or where an infectious person has been.
Man of Honour
There was no increase in the incidence of wound infection.
Since we're not concerned about wound infection and only transmission of diseases then masks are still valid and all our staff wear them.
You've got to be way down that rabbit hole to think otherwise.
mk1_salami
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mk1_salami
I want to see the study on masks where they account for respiratory and other disease introduced to the mark wearer from:
1. Using the 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 10-day-old mask which is usually stored in your dirty pocket / handbag / car door card.
2. Touching everything in the shop/hospital/office/school, then your mask, multiple times an hour.
3. Repeating said behavior, every day for 2 years.
"But surgeons wear them so they must work". Clown planet.
1. Using the 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 10-day-old mask which is usually stored in your dirty pocket / handbag / car door card.
2. Touching everything in the shop/hospital/office/school, then your mask, multiple times an hour.
3. Repeating said behavior, every day for 2 years.
"But surgeons wear them so they must work". Clown planet.
Man of Honour
Well you are an absolute clown if you do any of the first 3 points, even you should know that masks should be changed all the time.
Honestly you have no point if that's what you've been doing
I now know you are trolling coming out with that BS.
mk1_salami
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mk1_salami
You think everyone changes their mask like they should? 14 year old school kids?Well you are an absolute clown if you do any of the first 3 points, even you should know that masks should be changed all the time.
Honestly you have no point if that's what you've been doing
I now know you are trolling coming out with that BS.
What people should do, and what people actually do are two very different things.
You must admit that these people exist right? And it's not a small group.
Permabanned
I rememember my vet, who is also a good friend saying 90% of none medically trained people will not use a mask properly, and will also touch their face unthinkingly whilst having handled potentially infected objects. So in fairness Salami does have a good point. Nonetheless, if I am going somewhere indoors, crowded, poorly ventilated and not feeling it's my lucky day, I consider a fresh from the packet, proper medical grade mask, worn the once, is worthwhile insurance cover. It's perhaps wishful thinking and I'm a dirty whatsit the rest of the time, but, heh.
Man of Honour
100%, I'm also guilty of doing it, even in my NHS office HOWEVER I know what I'm doing is absolutely stupid and nobody should have any sympathy for me if I caught it again because of my stupidity.
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Masks stop you from spreading to others, they don't stop you catching off others unless you're using N95 or higher rated ones so not sure why disease introduced to the mask is important when we know the mask doesn't stop the wearer from catching
Man of Honour
I was watching Noel Fitzpatrick Super Vet last night with 4 staff members operating on a dog and all wearing masks but Salami thinks it's pointless.
It's quite sad that people like Salami, probably millions of them, think mask wearing has been invented for Covid
Hospitals, even before the NHS, have been using them for well over a century, they are not new.
Way before Covid I'd walk round the hospital in search of Clinicians and made to wear a mask in certain wards because they know what they can prevent.
You've got to be two sandwiches short of a picnic to think otherwise.
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Permabanned
My vet is apparently a stickler for masks when forced into close proximity to other theatre staff.
He says they're magic at covering up any alcohol on his breath.....
He says they're magic at covering up any alcohol on his breath.....
mk1_salami
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mk1_salami
It’s pretty obvious that - when worn properly - masks may do something to help reduce spread of airborne disease.
The huge caveat is … when worn properly.
Which is almost never among the general population.
The huge caveat is … when worn properly.
Which is almost never among the general population.
I was watching Noel Fitzpatrick Super Vet last night with 4 staff members operating on a dog and all wearing masks but Salami thinks it's pointless.
It's quite sad that people like Salami, probably millions of them, think mask wearing has been invented for Covid
Hospitals, even before the NHS, have been using them for well over a century, they are not new.
Way before Covid I'd walk round the hospital in search of Clinicians and made to wear a mask in certain wards because they know what they can prevent.
You've got to be two sandwiches short of a picnic to think otherwise.
They had the same arguments with people opposing them during Spanish Flu and we'll likely have the same arguments again when the next pandemic occurs (or if Covid pulls out a last minute surprise, hopefully not).
Some people seem to get very emotional over wearing a bit fabric on their face, as if it oppresses them or something. The arguments have been done to death though so no point trying to convince sceptics now.
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