COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

mk1_salami said:
How can wearing a filthy rag over your mouth not make it worse.
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Now that's something you're gonna have to back up with evidence.

If you can prove that wearing a week old mask, incorrectly, is actually WORSE than not wearing one at all, then I think we may all be willing to accept it.

But that's a BIG claim to make.
 
Devilman said:
Now that's something you're gonna have to back up with evidence.

If you can prove that wearing a week old mask, incorrectly, is actually WORSE than not wearing one at all, then I think we may all be willing to accept it.

But that's a BIG claim to make.
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I'm not claiming it's fact, in the same way you can't claim as fact that masks make things better.

It doesn't sound that far fetched? Wearing a germ infested mask might make you ill. It's pretty simple?
 
mk1_salami said:
I'm not claiming it's fact, in the same way you can't claim as fact that masks make things better.

It doesn't sound that far fetched? Wearing a germ infested mask might make you ill. It's pretty simple?
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No, it's not remotely simple. There is a huge variation of factors that come into play which you are conveniently choosing to ignore so you can continue to portray this idea that "it's so obvious, how can it not?"

Method of contamination
Duration of contact
Viral Load
Temperature
Humidity
Suitable conditions for the virus to remain active
Other activities including use of hand sanitizer, which can help eliminate transfer from said mask, to your hands and then onto your face.

These are just a handful I can think of, all of which can drastically alter the potential for infection and as such it is not remotely "pretty simple" at all.

And when faced with all those variables, in the face of being completely "open and exposed" without masks, it's highly unlikely that everybody wearing masks was worse for us than nobody wearing them.

Just look at how it keeps "blooming" in areas and then subsiding again since restrictions have lifted and that's WITH the majority of the population vaccinated.
If no mask mandate had been brought out, almost nobody would have bothered wearing a mask (just like now) and with no vaccine to help shield us, it would have been utter carnage. - To me, this does seem "pretty simple" to grasp, no?
 
mk1_salami said:
What's stupid about accepting that the general public don't wear masks like they're supposed to?

Operating theatre:
1. Mask applied by surgeon's assistant in a sterile environment.
2. Mask discarded into clinical waste when it has been used.
3. Mask is not touched by the wearer
4. New mask applied in the same manner.

General public.
1. Any piece of cloth acceptable
2. Mask used repeatedly over multiple days/weeks(!) in some instances
3. Touched frequently after touching every other germ-ridden surface
4. Mask bunged into a dirty pocket or handbag

There's absolutely nothing stupid about accepting that:

1. The masks are not used in the way they were intended
2. The masks are likely a breeding ground for germs
3. Placing a piece of cloth full of germs within close proximity to the wearer's mouth for hours on end is likely to make people sick.
4. If the wearer gets sick, they're more likely to make others sick.

It's common sense. Which doesn't appear to be very common.
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Another thing to add to list to general public. Most disposable masks are left in supermarket trolleys or tossed onto the ground.

You can apply the disposable gloves to the facts above. Plus seen people taking off disposable gloves with teeth! Yuk
 
Devilman said:
No, it's not remotely simple. There is a huge variation of factors that come into play which you are conveniently choosing to ignore so you can continue to portray this idea that "it's so obvious, how can it not?"

Method of contamination
Duration of contact
Viral Load
Temperature
Humidity
Suitable conditions for the virus to remain active
Other activities including use of hand sanitizer, which can help eliminate transfer from said mask, to your hands and then onto your face.

These are just a handful I can think of, all of which can drastically alter the potential for infection and as such it is not remotely "pretty simple" at all.

And when faced with all those variables, in the face of being completely "open and exposed" without masks, it's highly unlikely that everybody wearing masks was worse for us than nobody wearing them.

Just look at how it keeps "blooming" in areas and then subsiding again since restrictions have lifted and that's WITH the majority of the population vaccinated.
If no mask mandate had been brought out, almost nobody would have bothered wearing a mask (just like now) and with no vaccine to help shield us, it would have been utter carnage. - To me, this does seem "pretty simple" to grasp, no?
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Said far better than I think I ever have. Bravo.
 
Devilman said:
No, it's not remotely simple. There is a huge variation of factors that come into play which you are conveniently choosing to ignore so you can continue to portray this idea that "it's so obvious, how can it not?"

Method of contamination
Duration of contact
Viral Load
Temperature
Humidity
Suitable conditions for the virus to remain active
Other activities including use of hand sanitizer, which can help eliminate transfer from said mask, to your hands and then onto your face.

These are just a handful I can think of, all of which can drastically alter the potential for infection and as such it is not remotely "pretty simple" at all.

And when faced with all those variables, in the face of being completely "open and exposed" without masks, it's highly unlikely that everybody wearing masks was worse for us than nobody wearing them.

Just look at how it keeps "blooming" in areas and then subsiding again since restrictions have lifted and that's WITH the majority of the population vaccinated.
If no mask mandate had been brought out, almost nobody would have bothered wearing a mask (just like now) and with no vaccine to help shield us, it would have been utter carnage. - To me, this does seem "pretty simple" to grasp, no?
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You mean no mask mandates in urban areas?

Like Sweden did?
 
mk1_salami said:
What's stupid about accepting that the general public don't wear masks like they're supposed to?

Operating theatre:
1. Mask applied by surgeon's assistant in a sterile environment.
2. Mask discarded into clinical waste when it has been used.
3. Mask is not touched by the wearer
4. New mask applied in the same manner.

General public.
1. Any piece of cloth acceptable
2. Mask used repeatedly over multiple days/weeks(!) in some instances
3. Touched frequently after touching every other germ-ridden surface
4. Mask bunged into a dirty pocket or handbag

There's absolutely nothing stupid about accepting that:

1. The masks are not used in the way they were intended
2. The masks are likely a breeding ground for germs
3. Placing a piece of cloth full of germs within close proximity to the wearer's mouth for hours on end is likely to make people sick.
4. If the wearer gets sick, they're more likely to make others sick.

It's common sense. Which doesn't appear to be very common.
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I've not seen any significant problem due to people wearing germ ridden masks for long periods - many people I know were wearing basic masks for far too long through the pandemic and maybe like 1 in 100 had any kind of sickness or dermatological issues due to it. Around where I live at least was marked by an almost absence of sickness caused by common germs, which have notably rebounded since the wholesale relaxing of measures.

As far as COVID goes, in the longer run it turned out the disease was more limited for transmission via surfaces than initially thought due to many scientists for some reason just assuming it was like SARS. It only seems to transfer reliably via smooth surfaces like doorhandles directly - via touching a mask has a very low chance of transmission.

Meanwhile masks will reduce the level of transmission overall and serve as a visual reminder that there is a pandemic so that most people continue to maintain distancing and other practises which all helps.

Whatever way you look at it - I've not had a cold or flu and same for the others in my household for ~3 years which would have been unheard of before the pandemic so something has had an effect...
 
mk1_salami said:
How can wearing a filthy rag over your mouth not make it worse.
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Do you think that people who wear masks for work change them everyday? I'm not talking about in a clinical setting but say a carpenter wearing a respirator type mask when working with MDF or someone using a spray gun. I've got one in a my van that I occasionally have to use for jobs, I can wear it for several hours a day for several days in a row on some jobs. I don't wipe it out with isopropanol or anything. Its far more restrictive than a cloth or paper type mask. Why aren't we all getting sick?
 
Hagar said:
Don't know about a filthy rag but I did reuse 3 ply cloth masks by quarantining them for a couple of days and alternating masks in use for up to a week each. I did not catch covid to my knowledge during this time.
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I do wonder what he thinks people are doing with the masks to make them filthy cess pits that will give you an infection far more easily than a highly transmissible airborne virus.

I also wonder how he things the average workman who has to wear the same sort of masks to deal with things like mdf dust and fibres from insulation copes, let alone the people that use full on sweaty respirators for painting/dealing with vapours.
My half mask for spraying can have a good amount of moisture in it when I take it off after an hour of use because it actively collects it (it's plastic) whilst my medical face masks don't even feel damp after a half a day of use.

It's amazing this sort of debate is going on after 2 years of covid and a mere 100+ years of their study and use in all sorts of medical and industrial settings.
 
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