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MHRA Finally Admits it Failed to Test the Safety of Mass Manufactured Covid Vaccine Batches​


Ill help people out because I think you may be waiting quite sometime for these guys to respond
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It's increasingly scary, people might laugh, but even the BMJ are publishing articles around this and have been very critical of the transparency of data provided by Pfizer (ie, no transparency):

www.bmj.com

Covid-19: Researchers face wait for patient level data from Pfizer and Moderna vaccine trials

Independent researchers looking to obtain patient level data from the Pfizer and Moderna covid-19 vaccine trials may have to wait longer. In status reports filed recently with the US federal trials registry (clinicaltrials.gov) between February and May, both companies extended the dates by which...
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and queries around testing:

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Effect of mRNA Vaccine Manufacturing Processes on Efficacy and Safety Still an Open Question

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To date, there has been no evidence that safety trials were completed on vaccine produced via process 2. It currently looks like, due to the emergency authorisation the whole thing completely bypassed the usual regulator requirements.

Several labs have now confirmed from test samples that they contain excessive levels of DNA/RNA contaminants in excess of EU regulations (upto 70x in some batches has been quoted), plus SV40 which is a real horror show.

www.spectator.com.au

Scientists ‘shocked’ and ‘alarmed’ at what’s in the mRNA shots | The Spectator Australia

Early in 2023, genomics scientist Kevin McKernan made an accidental discovery. While running an experiment in his Boston lab, McKernan used some vials of mRNA Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines as…
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Interestingly, studies in Denmark also found that there was variability in severe incidents associated with each batch indicating batch control was poor (one batch was even thought to have been a placebo :cry: , lucky them I guess!).
 
C Kent said:
Had pneumonia when i was 17, and a cold (an actual cold not the sniffles most people get and pass off as a cold) 20 odd years ago. I get the train to Southampton twice a week these days (used to be 5 times week prior to wfh pre covid), and watch a couple premier league games every 5-6 weeks give or take. Im also fairly 'outdoorsy' in my spare time. Never had covid although I did actually follow the masking guidelines properly when it was required - none of this half assed approach 90% of the population did - and social distanced. I find it amazing folks keep getting covid over and over, then again as per the above post its always the same people that seem to get these viruses.
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From my circle of family and friends, its those who have young children or grandchildren who they look after the latter at least one day a week and are fussy eaters. Does that apply to those permacold folks you mention?

Not too sure if fussy eaters are more vulnerable to colds but could be lacking vital vits and minerals https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/support-your-immune-function-with-good-nutrition#:~:text=A good diet cannot boost,or nutrient will prevent illness.

I hardly get colds as I don't like a few foods. Usually the foods I don't like are due to texture. Such as bananas and cottage cheese.
 
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C Kent said:
Had pneumonia when i was 17, and a cold (an actual cold not the sniffles most people get and pass off as a cold) 20 odd years ago. I get the train to Southampton twice a week these days (used to be 5 times week prior to wfh pre covid), and watch a couple premier league games every 5-6 weeks give or take. Im also fairly 'outdoorsy' in my spare time. Never had covid although I did actually follow the masking guidelines properly when it was required - none of this half assed approach 90% of the population did - and social distanced. I find it amazing folks keep getting covid over and over, then again as per the above post its always the same people that seem to get these viruses.
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I think the average person is getting infected at least once a year at this point so 3 times sounds about right.
 
healthfeedback.org

Claim that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines contain DNA contaminants based on study of vials of "unknown provenance"; no evidence COVID-19 mRNA vaccines can alter DNA in people

To date, claims that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines can alter DNA in people lack a biologically plausible mechanism to explain how this would happen. A certain proportion of polio vaccine administered between the 1950s and 1960s were contaminated with the virus SV40, which can cause tumors in animals...
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Michael J Imperiale, Professor, Department of Microbiology and Immunology, University of Michigan:
Let me preface my answer with the caveat that since this preprint has not been peer reviewed, we don’t know if there was truly significant DNA contamination. I am certain that the FDA does not allow the release of lots of vaccine that have such contamination.


There is no evidence that the SV40 promoter can act as a so-called insertional mutagen, i.e., integrate next to a cellular oncogene and activate its expression. Moreover, since the vaccine is delivered into muscle, which contains mostly post-mitotic cells, the idea of cytoplasmic-nuclear mixing does not apply. Next, even if the DNA entered the nucleus, integration of any plasmid into the cell genome would be an extremely rare event. And finally, since these cells are expressing a viral antigen (the SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein), they will be destroyed by the immune system.
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Tephnos said:
healthfeedback.org

Claim that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines contain DNA contaminants based on study of vials of "unknown provenance"; no evidence COVID-19 mRNA vaccines can alter DNA in people

To date, claims that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines can alter DNA in people lack a biologically plausible mechanism to explain how this would happen. A certain proportion of polio vaccine administered between the 1950s and 1960s were contaminated with the virus SV40, which can cause tumors in animals...
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Yes, the injection doesn’t leave the injection site it’s totally fine. Also he glosses over the part of SV40 and the previous incident with the contaminated polio vaccines. There is a reason the FDA banned it back then!

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Some Oral Poliovirus Vaccines Were Contaminated with Infectious SV40 after 1961

Abstract. Some polio vaccines prepared from 1954 to 1961 were contaminated with infectious SV40. It has been assumed that all polio vaccines were SV40 free in the United States after 1961 and in other countries after 1962. Following a WHO requirement that was prompted by the detection of SV40 in...
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Better tell these "scientists" working in cancer research that SV40 isn't carcinogenic

The fact checker even gets the reseach he uses to support the argument it isn't carcinogenic completely wrong, he references a study that argues that the orignal research done in the wake of the scandal that SV40 was safe wasn't actually robust (they had no idea of who was exposed and how much).
 
Just tested positive for Covid again.

Been feeling terrible since yesterday morning, but symptoms are different this time. Very minor cough and blocked nose but the pain covers my whole body and is nonstop.

Work just told me to not come into the office but they still need the work done to schedule..
 
Jokester said:
It's increasingly scary, people might laugh, but even the BMJ are publishing articles around this and have been very critical of the transparency of data provided by Pfizer (ie, no transparency):

www.bmj.com

Covid-19: Researchers face wait for patient level data from Pfizer and Moderna vaccine trials

Independent researchers looking to obtain patient level data from the Pfizer and Moderna covid-19 vaccine trials may have to wait longer. In status reports filed recently with the US federal trials registry (clinicaltrials.gov) between February and May, both companies extended the dates by which...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com

and queries around testing:

www.bmj.com

Effect of mRNA Vaccine Manufacturing Processes on Efficacy and Safety Still an Open Question

www.bmj.com www.bmj.com

To date, there has been no evidence that safety trials were completed on vaccine produced via process 2. It currently looks like, due to the emergency authorisation the whole thing completely bypassed the usual regulator requirements.

Several labs have now confirmed from test samples that they contain excessive levels of DNA/RNA contaminants in excess of EU regulations (upto 70x in some batches has been quoted), plus SV40 which is a real horror show.

www.spectator.com.au

Scientists ‘shocked’ and ‘alarmed’ at what’s in the mRNA shots | The Spectator Australia

Early in 2023, genomics scientist Kevin McKernan made an accidental discovery. While running an experiment in his Boston lab, McKernan used some vials of mRNA Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines as…
www.spectator.com.au www.spectator.com.au

Interestingly, studies in Denmark also found that there was variability in severe incidents associated with each batch indicating batch control was poor (one batch was even thought to have been a placebo :cry: , lucky them I guess!).
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Conspiracy m8.
 
Concrete said:
Just tested positive for Covid again.

Been feeling terrible since yesterday morning, but symptoms are different this time. Very minor cough and blocked nose but the pain covers my whole body and is nonstop.

Work just told me to not come into the office but they still need the work done to schedule..
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Similar to what I've heard, not sure if it is the nature of the variant going around or due to immunity from either previous infections or vaccinations affecting how the body responds but people around here have been talking about getting a really nasty headache for 1-2 days, whole body aches for the next couple of days or so without really getting much in the way of classic symptoms of a respiratory disease like a sore throat or runny nose, etc. most back on their feet in 3-4 days though some get hit with fatigue after.
 
Tephnos said:
According to you, all the ones who disagree seem to be.
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It's not me posting links that all these scientists speaking out about stuff are crack jobs :cry:

I see even Dr C has an interview up now with another scientist about this.

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Oh dear, the lads highlighted that nobody in the UK could possibly have given informed consent, due to the test results for Pfizer being based on the process 1 vaccine, but everyone received a vaccine made on process 2 in the UK. This'll end up in the courts for sure.
 
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Freefaller said:
They never really aimed the flu jab for anyone other than the elderly before covid though?

Other than my parents and their generation I don't know of anyone (other than a few friends with co-morbidities / autoimmune disorders) of a younger generation that did? Was it common in the UK for young people?
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Flu jab has always been available (for free) to people other than the elderly:

Who can have the flu vaccine?
The flu vaccine is given free on the NHS to adults who:

are 65 and over (including those who will be 65 by 31 March 2024)
have certain health conditions
are pregnant
are in long-stay residential care
receive a carer's allowance, or are the main carer for an older or disabled person who may be at risk if you get sick
live with someone who is more likely to get a severe infection due to a weakened immune system, such as someone living with HIV, someone who has had a transplant, or is having certain treatments for cancer, lupus or rheumatoid arthritis
 
sigma said:
Flu jab has always been available (for free) to people other than the elderly:

Who can have the flu vaccine?
The flu vaccine is given free on the NHS to adults who:

are 65 and over (including those who will be 65 by 31 March 2024)
have certain health conditions
are pregnant
are in long-stay residential care
receive a carer's allowance, or are the main carer for an older or disabled person who may be at risk if you get sick
live with someone who is more likely to get a severe infection due to a weakened immune system, such as someone living with HIV, someone who has had a transplant, or is having certain treatments for cancer, lupus or rheumatoid arthritis
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So to anyone that has health issues then. A bit like the vaccine roll out for covid really?
 
sigma said:
Flu jab has always been available (for free) to people other than the elderly:

Who can have the flu vaccine?
The flu vaccine is given free on the NHS to adults who:

are 65 and over (including those who will be 65 by 31 March 2024)
have certain health conditions
are pregnant
are in long-stay residential care
receive a carer's allowance, or are the main carer for an older or disabled person who may be at risk if you get sick
live with someone who is more likely to get a severe infection due to a weakened immune system, such as someone living with HIV, someone who has had a transplant, or is having certain treatments for cancer, lupus or rheumatoid arthritis
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Nothing stopping anyone else getting it either, a lot of companies offer it for free to their staff, or you can buy it over the counter I believe.
 
Seems a bit strange with people wandering around work who have COVID. I'm not overly concerned for myself, but my dad's 84 and both my in-laws are 80 with serious health concerns of their own, so I wouldn't want to pass it on to them if I become infected.:(
 
Developed an sore throat and a stuffed up and runny nose throughout yesterday. Did tests all day at work and all negative. Currently supping a blackcurrant Lemsip with a spoon of honey in it. Will pop a couple of paracetamol before bed too.
 
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