COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[Jokester]

This isn’t going to go down well with 90 bald popsters “Right said Fred” (amongst others)

Nobel Prize goes to scientists behind mRNA Covid vaccines

Katalin Kariko and Drew Weissman developed the technology which led to Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines.

www.bbc.com

Interesting to note that Prof Weissman stated in his mRNA work that additional work needed to be done around blood clot and autoimmune risks.

At least we can be sure that they did that work and also ensured that the manufacturing process actually used for mass production didn't contaminate the vaccine with large amounts of rogue RNA/DNA and cancer causing chemicals.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Although they aren't topics where a more nuanced opinion gets allowed for much, most of the time what you are referring to are child like differing views not material for an adult discussion.

Whilst I mainly respect and immediately cotton on to your often late night, early morining posts from some distribution hub, this one is a bit muddled, could you kindly re-post it in a simplified format for an idiot like myself to fathom out please?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Interesting that flu caused more deaths last winter than covid despite flu jabs being readily available yet nobody freaks out about flu...

For the majority of people flu would be much, much worse than covid too..

Thing is most people now have zero immunity to flu. I've had flu twice as an adult, so in 34 years. I've had covid 3 times already.

I wouldn't be surprised of many didn't take their flu shot due to anti vax propaganda. Would be interesting to see flu vaccine administered figures for last few years

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

Thing is most people now have zero immunity to flu. I've had flu twice as an adult, so in 34 years. I've had covid 3 times already.

I wouldn't be surprised of many didn't take their flu shot due to anti vax propaganda. Would be interesting to see flu vaccine administered figures for last few years

Flu is magnitudes worse as well, I had swine flu and thought I was going to keel over into a coffin, even after 14 days I could barely stand and I was only in my 20s at the time.

 

[Rroff]

Thing is most people now have zero immunity to flu. I've had flu twice as an adult, so in 34 years. I've had covid 3 times already.

I wouldn't be surprised of many didn't take their flu shot due to anti vax propaganda. Would be interesting to see flu vaccine administered figures for last few years

I've had proper flu only once in my life and so far since I've never caught it when confirmed flu has been doing the rounds. Though sadly colds, possibly milder flu, are another matter.

I dunno how clear what this is saying will be to people without some experience with the subject but this is the impact lockdowns and COVID measures had on flu circulation:

The change in evolution of the dominant strains of influenza is actually a little concerning with some emerging strains being further removed from what people might have some resistance to and/or some potential of more serious changes.

(There is always some antigenic drift with the virus, it isn't all entirely down to COVID measures but normally it is nothing like this stark).

 

[Freefaller]

Thing is most people now have zero immunity to flu. I've had flu twice as an adult, so in 34 years. I've had covid 3 times already.

I wouldn't be surprised of many didn't take their flu shot due to anti vax propaganda. Would be interesting to see flu vaccine administered figures for last few years

They never really aimed the flu jab for anyone other than the elderly before covid though?

Other than my parents and their generation I don't know of anyone (other than a few friends with co-morbidities / autoimmune disorders) of a younger generation that did? Was it common in the UK for young people?

 

[Lean]

Interesting to note that Prof Weissman stated in his mRNA work that additional work needed to be done around blood clot and autoimmune risks.

At least we can be sure that they did that work and also ensured that the manufacturing process actually used for mass production didn't contaminate the vaccine with large amounts of rogue RNA/DNA and cancer causing chemicals.

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MHRA Finally Admits it Failed to Test the Safety of Mass Manufactured Covid Vaccine Batches​

Ill help people out because I think you may be waiting quite sometime for these guys to respond

 

[Tephnos]

Flu is magnitudes worse as well, I had swine flu and thought I was going to keel over into a coffin, even after 14 days I could barely stand and I was only in my 20s at the time.

That's because Swine Flu specifically impacted the young more - older people were more immune to that particular strain of flu, likely from childhood exposure to a closely related virus.

 

[Tephnos]

I've had proper flu only once in my life and so far since I've never caught it when confirmed flu has been doing the rounds. Though sadly colds, possibly milder flu, are another matter.

I dunno how clear what this is saying will be to people without some experience with the subject but this is the impact lockdowns and COVID measures had on flu circulation:

The change in evolution of the dominant strains of influenza is actually a little concerning with some emerging strains being further removed from what people might have some resistance to and/or some potential of more serious changes.

(There is always some antigenic drift with the virus, it isn't all entirely down to COVID measures but normally it is nothing like this stark).

Hopefully, the flu mRNA vaccines currently in development can put a dampener on the potential for these worse strains.

 

[cheesefest]

Who tf puts money in their mouth??!!

Its mainly the elderly who do this. If we did put the money in our mouths before giving to them, there would be outrage! So why do they think its OK to do this?

 

[C Kent]

Thing is most people now have zero immunity to flu. I've had flu twice as an adult, so in 34 years. I've had covid 3 times already.

I wouldn't be surprised of many didn't take their flu shot due to anti vax propaganda. Would be interesting to see flu vaccine administered figures for last few years

Flu twice and covid 3 times? Jesus, do you people go around licking handrails or something?

 

[Rroff]

Flu twice and covid 3 times? Jesus, do you people go around licking handrails or something?

Flu twice in 34 years... that is hardly handrail licking territory

There are some people who seem unusually susceptible to these diseases, probably due to lifestyle, my boss has had 2 colds, one of them possibly flu, since COVID measures were relaxed and COVID either 4 or 5 times (I've lost count) since mid to late 2021... he has only been back at work something like 10 days since the last bout of COVID. And it is telling on him - he has nothing like the energy and motivation he had in the years previous to COVID. There are several other people like that at work who always seem to get everything going and it always seems to be the same small group.

 

[cheesefest]

They never really aimed the flu jab for anyone other than the elderly before covid though?

Other than my parents and their generation I don't know of anyone (other than a few friends with co-morbidities / autoimmune disorders) of a younger generation that did? Was it common in the UK for young people?

I have the flu vaccine for 22 years. Always got it free due to asthma.

If you don’t qualify for a flu vaccine on the NHS and your employer offers a voucher scheme to get a cheaper vaccine in a chemist chain - do it.

My friend’s employer offers a voucher for getting a flu vaccine from Lloyds Pharmacy for a £5. It’s worth it

If you have a Superdrug with a pharmacy you can get the flu vaccine for £8.79 if you have their Health and Beauty card.

https://www.superdrug.com/microsite/flu-jab

 

[Freefaller]

I have the flu vaccine for 22 years. Always got it free due to asthma.

If you don’t qualify for a flu vaccine on the NHS and your employer offers a voucher scheme to get a cheaper vaccine in a chemist chain - do it.

My friend’s employer offers a voucher for getting a flu vaccine from Lloyds Pharmacy for a £5. It’s worth it

If you have a Superdrug with a pharmacy you can get the flu vaccine for £8.79 if you have their Health and Beauty card.

https://www.superdrug.com/microsite/flu-jab

Oh I'm not interested in having it in the slightest. Never knew it was available to non vulnerable people before covid!

I can understand why you'd want it though

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

They never really aimed the flu jab for anyone other than the elderly before covid though?

Other than my parents and their generation I don't know of anyone (other than a few friends with co-morbidities / autoimmune disorders) of a younger generation that did? Was it common in the UK for young people?

I have friends with asthma that certainly used to take it, not sure if they still do though.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Flu twice and covid 3 times? Jesus, do you people go around licking handrails or something?

Flu twice in 34 years is hardly a lot and considering I lived in central London for nearly all my adult life. Covid 3 times sounds pretty standard to me unless you live in a village or are a hermit.

 

[C Kent]

Flu twice in 34 years is hardly a lot and considering I lived in central London for nearly all my adult life. Covid 3 times sounds pretty standard to me unless you live in a village or are a hermit.

Had pneumonia when i was 17, and a cold (an actual cold not the sniffles most people get and pass off as a cold) 20 odd years ago. I get the train to Southampton twice a week these days (used to be 5 times week prior to wfh pre covid), and watch a couple premier league games every 5-6 weeks give or take. Im also fairly 'outdoorsy' in my spare time. Never had covid although I did actually follow the masking guidelines properly when it was required - none of this half assed approach 90% of the population did - and social distanced. I find it amazing folks keep getting covid over and over, then again as per the above post its always the same people that seem to get these viruses.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Had pneumonia when i was 17, and a cold (an actual cold not the sniffles most people get and pass off as a cold) 20 odd years ago. I get the train to Southampton twice a week these days (used to be 5 times week prior to wfh pre covid), and watch a couple premier league games every 5-6 weeks give or take. Im also fairly 'outdoorsy' in my spare time. Never had covid although I did actually follow the masking guidelines properly when it was required - none of this half assed approach 90% of the population did - and social distanced. I find it amazing folks keep getting covid over and over, then again as per the above post its always the same people that seem to get these viruses.

You know why they keep getting covid? Because its incredibly infectious. Maybe you are genetically lucky that you aren't suspectable or you have been asymptomatic.

 

[CapitalOne]

Interesting to note that Prof Weissman stated in his mRNA work that additional work needed to be done around blood clot and autoimmune risks.

At least we can be sure that they did that work and also ensured that the manufacturing process actually used for mass production didn't contaminate the vaccine with large amounts of rogue RNA/DNA and cancer causing chemicals.

Ok lets see it then….the “rogue dna” and “cancer causing chemicals” I mean.

 

[C Kent]

Maybe you are genetically lucky that you aren't suspectable

Always knew i was superior