COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[Jokester]

Hearing Wrap Up: Suppression of the Lab Leak Hypothesis Was Not Based in Science - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

It's not as if this has been widely investigated by the US government. And who was funding the research in China? Dr Fauci, through his role at the National Institute for Health.

Opinion | Dr. Fauci Could Have Said a Lot More (Published 2023)

If officials don’t trust the public, the public won’t trust them.

www.nytimes.com

There's a clear reason why Dr Fauci would attempt to cover up a lab leak and "pre-bunk" the suggestion it was a lab leak as a conspiracy theory/misinformation.

 

[Minusorange]

I suppose I should have qualified that answer with "in the UK" as there are, sadly, a number of places where you can keep them as pets (usually badly).

There's more deaths by pet Bully XL's than there are from pet Lions in the world

 

[Tephnos]

Nope, that's just fluke/your wifes imune system.

I chose to look after my parents and isolate with them right...
All 3 of us had it and had the vaccinations, all of us had it different, me it just felt like a pathetic mild headache and my throat hurt a bit and i was hot, my father who smoked for like 55-60 years heavily was fine just a cold, and my mum had it very bad and is the healthiest/never smoked etc etc...

So there is no proof that it does anything to bring it down/stop you getting it, all of us had had all the 3 jabs/top ups etc etc, then randomly caught it 2 weeks later.

We have plenty of proof: it's called hospitalisations before jabs and after jabs.

Enough of this claptrap.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

We have plenty of proof: it's called hospitalisations before jabs and after jabs.

Enough of this claptrap.

Another one unsubbed
Keef247 will have nobody to talk to at this rate.

 

[Tephnos]

Another one unsubbed
Keef247 will have nobody to talk to at this rate.

I just like to laugh and clown on these people at this point. There's one thing being sceptical and open to evidence, there's another that goes 'my personal experience contradicts the evidence so the evidence is wrong and that's that'.

The latter is single digit IQ.

 

[Devilman]

"I believe everything a reporter being paid for clickbait and shock tactics for ratings said, because it's on tv! Along with journo's and TeH iNtErNeT/fOrUmS... So it MUST be true"

Nice try but that strawman you built is weaker than your debating skills.

At no point did I claim to believe everything a reporter says.

You however, DID say you would only believe what you saw with your own eyes when you said this...

So "many people" doesn't mean anything to me versus the reality of what happened to my family/people I know. So stop scaremongering.

Fortunately we have the advantage of such things as.... writing things down to pass on knowledge of things we have not personally experienced. We can then use that compiled knowledge to create statistics about the actual rate things occured in the wider world, rather than your tiny little corner of it.

 

[PlacidCasual]

Hearing Wrap Up: Suppression of the Lab Leak Hypothesis Was Not Based in Science - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

It's not as if this has been widely investigated by the US government. And who was funding the research in China? Dr Fauci, through his role at the National Institute for Health.

Opinion | Dr. Fauci Could Have Said a Lot More (Published 2023)

If officials don’t trust the public, the public won’t trust them.

www.nytimes.com

There's a clear reason why Dr Fauci would attempt to cover up a lab leak and "pre-bunk" the suggestion it was a lab leak as a conspiracy theory/misinformation.

The farce Covid Inquiry in the UK has declined to investigate the source of the outbreak too. £500m for what is an extended addition of Jeremy Kyle with added barristers. The only people in favour of this colossal waste of money are SunSeeker in Poole, No doubt the orders from well healed London barristers have been flowing in.

The UK Establishment would rather focus of the soap opera than actually do any serious enquiring.

 

[SupraWez]

Are people still really touting that the vaccine will stop you catching it, I thought that ship had well and truly sailed, at best it should reduce the affect of the virus, so if your not at risk then there is little point, if at risk then way up the risk of side affect vs virus, side affects while exist are relatively low given how many shots have been dished out, also depends on the type administered.

Sadly the messaging and scaremongering when the initial shots were being rolled out was mostly faff, stops you catching it and stops you passing it on, as it turns out was all rubbish.

Plus the blackmailing of extra restrictions on those who refused vaccination, people losing jobs, not being able to travel, eat out etc.

This is sort of stuff that should be in the inquiry and people making such decisions and claims should be asked to explain them and provide the information that informed those decisions.

 

[Freefaller]

the only scaremongering or "more cautious" I hear is on this forum. I have no reason to lambast or look down at people who are more worried, it's entirely their right to be worried about it. Do I think it's irrational? A little... but at the same time it's not for me to judge how they feel about something like that. Covid affected people beyond just physical ailments - it created a lot of neuroses and worry in people, one shouldn't tease them for that.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Sadly the messaging and scaremongering when the initial shots were being rolled out was mostly faff, stops you catching it and stops you passing it on, as it turns out was all rubbish.

and it wasn't spouted by the experts, they used words like "might" and not "will".

 

[TheVoice]

We have plenty of proof: it's called hospitalisations before jabs and after jabs.

Enough of this claptrap.

Wasn't remotely surprised to see who it was either, his post history is brimming with being aggressively argumentative when his nonsense is challenged and then he storms off.

 

[ltron]

The farce Covid Inquiry in the UK has declined to investigate the source of the outbreak too. £500m for what is an extended addition of Jeremy Kyle with added barristers. The only people in favour of this colossal waste of money are SunSeeker in Poole, No doubt the orders from well healed London barristers have been flowing in.

The UK Establishment would rather focus of the soap opera than actually do any serious enquiring.

The only way it's a farce is through its lack of legal consequences for those who betrayed us, but I suspect that's not what you meant and it's more 'look over there, blame China not my precious Boris'.

 

[ltron]

Are people still really touting that the vaccine will stop you catching it, I thought that ship had well and truly sailed, at best it should reduce the affect of the virus, so if your not at risk then there is little point, if at risk then way up the risk of side affect vs virus, side affects while exist are relatively low given how many shots have been dished out, also depends on the type administered.

Sadly the messaging and scaremongering when the initial shots were being rolled out was mostly faff, stops you catching it and stops you passing it on, as it turns out was all rubbish.

Plus the blackmailing of extra restrictions on those who refused vaccination, people losing jobs, not being able to travel, eat out etc.

This is sort of stuff that should be in the inquiry and people making such decisions and claims should be asked to explain them and provide the information that informed those decisions.

This has already been explained many times, the virus mutated much faster than we could keep up with through vaccines because as a global community we did such a **** poor job in controlling it (the more people get infected the more it mutates). As it mutated it became much better at spreading and evading immunity which created a vicious circle.

The original vaccines did stop you getting the original wild type of the virus and stopped you passing it on, no one was misled but people seem not to get it.

Also, the key point is the politicians knew that effective vaccines were coming long before the general public did, but despite knowing this they implemented silly and dangerous schemes like 'eat out to help out' along with the easing of mitigations at the wrong time (and without a functional test and trace system to replace them) which blew our opportunity to stamp out the virus.

 

[PlacidCasual]

The only way it's a farce is through its lack of legal consequences for those who betrayed us, but I suspect that's not what you meant and it's more 'look over there, blame China not my precious Boris'.

The other day an entirely pertinent response regarding QALY's was waived away by barrister for the inquiry. Understanding the cost benefit analysis decisions concerning COVID measures would be entirely pertinent to an technical inquiry. Likewise understanding the source and nature of the issue would also be pertinent to any technical inquiry. The failure of plans to deal with a gain of function improved virus actually explains some of the failings. Instead we get melodrama with no focus on actual lessons to be drawn. Why can't the Chief Scientific Advisor explain science to the Government when it's his role. Why would years of pandemic planning be thrown out of the window when a pandemic arrives and why is it wrong for the Prime Minister to ask why it is being thrown out? We are ******* money down the drain to allow barristers to undertake political grandstanding

 

[GTAMADDOG]

Welp. It has finally got me. I haven't been feeling great since I finished work on Friday, but I feel a bit better today and wanted to collect a parcel and shop for food, so I decided to take a test out of curiousity and I've finally tested positive. I have had three jabs, so I guess that plays a part in why I don't feel really bad and I'm certainly nowhere near to being hospitalised. Symptoms; sore throat, occasional cough, slightly sore joints, occasional light head and waking up every night sweating even though I don't tend to have the heating on at the moment.

Guess it gives me another reason to sit around gaming and not doing much else. I live on my own, so I'm no risk to anyone else, but I think I picked it up from work because two or three colleagues were coughing/sneezing towards the end of last week. Of course, it gets me when I'm off work and wanted to get some stuff done, but it could be worse...

 

[Jokester]

The farce Covid Inquiry in the UK has declined to investigate the source of the outbreak too. £500m for what is an extended addition of Jeremy Kyle with added barristers. The only people in favour of this colossal waste of money are SunSeeker in Poole, No doubt the orders from well healed London barristers have been flowing in.

The UK Establishment would rather focus of the soap opera than actually do any serious enquiring.

They’re only spending £750k on solicitors & barristers apparently.

Per day.

And all we’ve really learned is the whole thing looks like a scene with Malcolm Tucker.

Edit:
On the subject of QALY, of course they don't want to speak about it, there's now approximately 50k excess deaths a year, being driven by largely working age adults (~10% more likely to die now for their age, big increase in people dropping down dead at home without warning apparently) and they are already "pre-bunking" a large increase in cancer numbers by the looks of things.

Even if you go with the "official" narrative that it's basically everyone's own fault for lifestyle changes during lockdown, add it on top of the impact on kids mental health and education, and the economic fallout from it all, the cost is huge.

 

[cheesefest]

Been struggling today at work. Get clammy, shortness of breath, feel it in my chest when talk or cough. Worst situation to get breath back is if I have been bending over, crouching and then standing up.

Tested negative. Yet my colleague who has the same symptoms as me tested positive and she's not asthmatic, unlike me.

Was planning to see my Nan tomorrow at her care home. Doubt I will go as its best part of 5 hours on the road and not fair on my Nan plus the 65 other residents and the staff.

 

[CapitalOne]

The other day an entirely pertinent response regarding QALY's was waived away by barrister for the inquiry. Understanding the cost benefit analysis decisions concerning COVID measures would be entirely pertinent to an technical inquiry. Likewise understanding the source and nature of the issue would also be pertinent to any technical inquiry. The failure of plans to deal with a gain of function improved virus actually explains some of the failings. Instead we get melodrama with no focus on actual lessons to be drawn. Why can't the Chief Scientific Advisor explain science to the Government when it's his role. Why would years of pandemic planning be thrown out of the window when a pandemic arrives and why is it wrong for the Prime Minister to ask why it is being thrown out? We are ******* money down the drain to allow barristers to undertake political grandstanding

So yeah, it’s because of your precious Boris as was stated.

 

[CapitalOne]

the only scaremongering or "more cautious" I hear is on this forum. I have no reason to lambast or look down at people who are more worried, it's entirely their right to be worried about it. Do I think it's irrational? A little... but at the same time it's not for me to judge how they feel about something like that. Covid affected people beyond just physical ailments - it created a lot of neuroses and worry in people, one shouldn't tease them for that.

Ahem, being interested in the current status and progress of Covid is not neurotic unless one is still hammering on about why there are no measures (which nobody is).

What is neurotic is coming to the thread to try and close the discussion down or to pretend is doesn’t exist anymore or post conspiracy nonsense.

I’ll be clear at this point I’m not talking about you being neurotic or shutting things down by the way but other posters on this page. I just wanted to correct you as to who was displaying odd behaviour

 

[PlacidCasual]

So yeah, it’s because of your precious Boris as was stated.

So the question is invalid because of who asked it? You don't think the inquiry should be following lines of questioning about why existing pandemic plans were dropped in favour of hastily arranged ones? Try playing the ball.