COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[Hedge]

No, you claimed that the stats provided by someone working IN A HOSPITAL, who's stats were generated by QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS diagnosing Covid in patients.

Vesus you and your "belief" that Covid patients "Are likely there for a million other reasons" when those very patients were diagnosed by QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFFESIONALS WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

So please.... do inform us where your years of medical knowledge comes from, to be able to so confidently say that DOZENS OF QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFFESIONALS are wrong.

Also why is it you're so willing to believe the "flu patients" actually have the flu, while the Covid patients are there for "a million other reasons".


What background in medicine do you have? What makes you so certain of the Flu patients being genuine but the Covid patients being fake?


To put it simply...

If you have no medical background, STFU trying to say that Covid patients are there for "a million reasons" while Flu patients are genuine, you literally have no clue what you are talking about.


*Edit* and stop trying to deflect attention away from your own stupidity by trying to call up @SexyGreyFox with an "Over to you", when YOU are the one claiming the Covid patients are there for "a million other reasons", not SGF.

Back up your claim or stop spouting nonsense you have 0 evidence of.

I also wouldn't mind some context added to the hospital numbers. From first article I googled..

"An average of 3,246 patients tested positive for the virus each day in the week to December 17, up from 2,762 the previous week and 2,344 a fortnight ago – but less than half the number at this point last year (6,918).

It is also well below the levels seen during the winters of 2020 and 2021."

 

[the wopster]

Sorry... what?

You literally said you believe the 111 Covid patients to be there for "a million other reasons" and yet you don't question the numbers?


Either you believe the numbers, in which case the 111 Covid diagnosed patients are there "for Covid"

Or you believe the 111 Covid diagnosed patients are there "for a million other reasons".

Which is it?

There is no point arguing with him mate, all that happens when you argue with an idiot is, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

 

[n111ck]

There is no point arguing with him mate, all that happens when you argue with an idiot is, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

That's nice of you to try and dig them out of the hole they have dug from themselves - very festive.

 

[Devilman]

Hahahaha you seem to be failing to grasp the concept that somebody can be in hospital for a million different reasons and be included in those stats for coincidentally having a positive covid test. Try again lol..

Again with the deflection and failing to address the point(s) raised.

Multiple trained medical professionals will have examined those patients and the conclusion they came to was that they have Covid-19 and that was their reason for hospitalisation.

You seem perfectly willing to accept that 19 people could be in with "The Flu" without any other reason or "context" for it, but when it comes to the 111 Covid-19 Patients, you're determined to try and make it "some other reason they are really in hospital" and not the Covid-19 diagnosis they have received from medical professionals with years of training and expertise.

Why are you so seemingly unwilling to believe that 111 people could be hospitalized due to Covid-19?

Furthermore, what leads you to believe that those 111 people "are likely there for a million other reasons" and not Covid-19?

 

[n111ck]

Again with the deflection and failing to address the point(s) raised.

Multiple trained medical professionals will have examined those patients and the conclusion they came to was that they have Covid-19 and that was their reason for hospitalisation.

You seem perfectly willing to accept that 19 people could be in with "The Flu" without any other reason or "context" for it, but when it comes to the 111 Covid-19 Patients, you're determined to try and make it "some other reason they are really in hospital" and not the Covid-19 diagnosis they have received from medical professionals with years of training and expertise.

Why are you so seemingly unwilling to believe that 111 people could be hospitalized due to Covid-19?

Furthermore, what leads you to believe that those 111 people "are likely there for a million other reasons" and not Covid-19?

Today in our Trust we have:
Covid-19 - 111 patients
Flu - 19 patients

Where in the above post does it state that "Multiple trained medical professionals will have examined those patients and the conclusion they came to was that they have Covid-19 and that was their reason for hospitalisation."? These are just numbers with no context.

When I queried it @SexyGreyFox (your medical expert lol) conceded that:

It means we have 128 patients with Covid in hospital beds and 19 people with flu in hospital beds so not meaningless to the staff who are treating them, it's a massive pain in the ass.

So again where does it state that "Multiple trained medical professionals will have examined those patients and the conclusion they came to was that they have Covid-19 and that was their reason for hospitalisation."?

 

[the wopster]

That's nice of you to try and dig them out of the hole they have dug from themselves - very festive.

As I said I don’t argue with idiots, so run along sweetie

 

[n111ck]

As I said I don’t argue with idiots, so run along sweetie

did you get them something nice for Christmas lol

 

[Devilman]

Where in the above post does it state that "Multiple trained medical professionals will have examined those patients and the conclusion they came to was that they have Covid-19 and that was their reason for hospitalisation."? These are just numbers with no context.

When I queried it @SexyGreyFox (your medical expert lol) conceded that:

So again where does it state that "Multiple trained medical professionals will have examined those patients and the conclusion they came to was that they have Covid-19 and that was their reason for hospitalisation."?

You think they just let the receptionist and cleaning staff examine you when you arrive at hospital?

Anyway, I'm out. go troll someone else with your "schrodinger's stats" that you both believe and don't believe simultaneously.

You're incapable of an honest debate, you're just a sad little troll.

 

[ED209]

Hope things pick up on your end mate!

I slept on the couch last night and my wife and I are doing everything we can to avoid each other however she tested Positive this morning so we're both stuffed! It's 2020 all over again here and we're looking for online delivery shopping slots!

Thanks, you too.

I did the same when my other half was unwell.

I slept on the sofa for 5 nights but we live in a small bungalow and I still got it. We think its because you can still be contagious for 10 days (other half thought it was 5 days on the gov site).

I started getting unwell last night and was not great this morning but this afternoon I feel a lot better.

What makes me laugh is that we had to cancel fireworks night with them as well as they where unwell that time so every time we have arranged something so far its gone to pot due to illness

 

[n111ck]

You think they just let the receptionist and cleaning staff examine you when you arrive at hospital?

Anyway, I'm out. go troll someone else with your "schrodinger's stats" that you both believe and don't believe simultaneously.

You're incapable of an honest debate, you're just a sad little troll.

That really is pathetic - you know you are wrong - you jumped in with a baseless accusation - you then started making up evidence that doesn't exist.

Yes you are out.

 

[Tephnos]

Someone really needs a thread ban at this point. Every time it is the same damn thing.

 

[n111ck]

Someone really needs a thread ban at this point. Every time it is the same damn thing.

Its a discussion forum - but yes people shouldn't post contextless stats as it's really not helpful.

 

[tom_e]

Again with the deflection and failing to address the point(s) raised.

Multiple trained medical professionals will have examined those patients and the conclusion they came to was that they have Covid-19 and that was their reason for hospitalisation.

I'm not particularly bothered about questioning the numbers but that is categorically not what you can infer from what SGF posted.

All you can draw from it is that in the hospital are X number of people with flu and X number of people with COVID. Both possibly need isolating from the other patients to stop spread and that's generally afaik why the numbers matter.

Now it may turn out that those numbers are indeed people in hospital because they have flu/COVID but if we're calling it purely as we see it then you can't know that for sure without the methodology behind the numbers being shared.

Stats without explanation are indeed generally meaningless.

 

[Devilman]

I'm not particularly bothered about questioning the numbers but that is categorically not what you can infer from what SGF posted.

All you can draw from it is that in the hospital are X number of people with flu and X number of people with COVID. Both possibly need isolating from the other patients to stop spread and that's generally afaik why the numbers matter.

Now it may turn out that those numbers are indeed people in hospital because they have flu/COVID but if we're calling it purely as we see it then you can't know that for sure without the methodology behind the numbers being shared.

Stats without explanation are indeed generally meaningless.

You make a valid point, a person may already be *in* hospital and then catch Flu / Covid while in there, without it being the original reason for hospitalization.

All things being equal, both "groups" (Flu / Covid) should be affected equally and the case numbers would reflect that.

What we are seeing though, is that all things are *not* equal when comparing "The Flu" to "Covid-19" and that is directly reflected in the numbers.

Whether already in hospital and then catching Covid, or being admitted to hospital *due to Covid* - I am not sure it makes a great deal of difference to the strain it puts on the NHS, the staff etc?

If a patient is admitted to hospital *due to Covid* or contracts it while already in hospital, the situation would still be basically the same (baring a few outlier cases of extreme medical intervention needed)?

Thus the impact on the NHS, on staff, the requirements for wearing and usage of PPE etc.. would still all be *roughly* the same, no?

 

[n111ck]

Their lack of self awareness is staggering or they posted the last response from the wrong account lol.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Its a discussion forum - but yes people shouldn't post contextless stats as it's really not helpful.

These are the stats when I last posted
128 hospitalised patients with Covid
19 patients with the flu
All those patients would have had PCR tests not done by a receptionist but by a Medical Professional.

Those are the stats and they are causing a massive upheaval for our staff.

n111ck will lose it when he realises we also have quite a few measles patients.

 

[n111ck]

These are the stats when I last posted
128 hospitalised patients with Covid
19 patients with the flu
All those patients would have had PCR tests not done by a receptionist but by a Medical Professional.

Those are the stats and they are causing a massive upheaval for our staff.

n111ck will lose it when he realises we also have quite a few measles patients.

Are you now confirming that all 128 are in hospital because they have covid? Or are you just posting more context free stats?

edit - in fact given the wording is different between covid and flu I'd suggest my original supposition was correct and the flu patients are only in because they have flu.. the covid not so much..

 

[the wopster]

Are you now confirming that all 128 are in hospital because they have covid? Or are you just posting more context free stats?

edit - in fact given the wording is different between covid and flu I'd suggest my original supposition was correct and the flu patients are only in because they have flu.. the covid not so much..

What part of
Covid-19 continues to circulate and in the last week we have seen a significant increase in the number of patients admitted into our hospitals
with Covid-19.

don’t you understand, you really are a special kind of stupid

 

[Orangeade]

No, you claimed that the stats provided by someone working IN A HOSPITAL, who's stats were generated by QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS diagnosing Covid in patients.

Vesus you and your "belief" that Covid patients "Are likely there for a million other reasons" when those very patients were diagnosed by QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFFESIONALS WITH YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

So please.... do inform us where your years of medical knowledge comes from, to be able to so confidently say that DOZENS OF QUALIFIED MEDICAL PROFFESIONALS are wrong.

Also why is it you're so willing to believe the "flu patients" actually have the flu, while the Covid patients are there for "a million other reasons".


What background in medicine do you have? What makes you so certain of the Flu patients being genuine but the Covid patients being fake?


To put it simply...

If you have no medical background, STFU trying to say that Covid patients are there for "a million reasons" while Flu patients are genuine, you literally have no clue what you are talking about.


*Edit* and stop trying to deflect attention away from your own stupidity by trying to call up @SexyGreyFox with an "Over to you", when YOU are the one claiming the Covid patients are there for "a million other reasons", not SGF.

Back up your claim or stop spouting nonsense you have 0 evidence of.

Wow, someone is a little tender!

Seeing as covid is killing a very low percentage of its victims I think it's fair to say that people might have multiple reasons which might just happen to involve covid...

And if you want to hear of DOZENS OF MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, I've met quite a few recently who think it's a load of rubbish and that life is carrying on quite alright.

Source :https://idd.bag.admin.ch/diseases/covid/overview

Oh no, disaster, 0.27 per 100,000 rate of death. Please make it stop!

 

[n111ck]

What part of
Covid-19 continues to circulate and in the last week we have seen a significant increase in the number of patients admitted into our hospitals
with Covid-19.

don’t you understand, you really are a special kind of stupid

Are you really that thick or are you just attention seeking? Read that the thread before you ‘contribute’ next time.