COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[SexyGreyFox]

I think some posters, especially in recent days, have forgotten about how dire things were in the UK and around the world from around March '20, until the vaccines began to officially roll out around December '20.

The UK daily death numbers due to covid were horrifying. Thousands, day after, absolutely relentless. Especially when new variants hit our shores.

Without looking up the numbers, UK daily deaths were especially high among those aged 80+, but they didn't tail off dramatically until you looked at those under aged approx 30... But even then, the death rate in the under 30s was raised in that ~8 month spell.

And that's just looking at deaths, ignoring those whose lives were changed dramatically for the worse, due to how badly covid ravaged their body.

Yes, some poor souls had bad reactions to the vaccines, but for the world population vaccines were most definitely the greater good.

It was that bad my department had to give permission for Pharmacy to empty their fridges so we could put RIPs in them.

One day I had a Nurse ring me crying her eyes out saying she has lost her job because she walked away.
When I asked why, she said she had laid out and prepared 9x Covid RIPs that morning and couldn't get any to the Mortuary so she'd had enough

However I've said this all along, if I hadn't witnessed it and just been a Tesco Shelf Stacker I also might have thought it was all BS.

 

[GGizmo]

Not an expert but isn't that what old vaccines did like Cowpox and Malaria?
Give a little bit of the disease/virus and the body is able to protect itself.
I thought we'd gone way past that type of vaccine?

I had the AstraZeneca vaccine that was a dead virus that mimicked sars2 covid.

I think the mrna vaccines don't mimic the virus directly. But they look to get the same response from the immune system.

I think the next vaccines and medications will be based on increased knowledge of the immune system.

We're heading in the right direction. There were always going to be some people who have adverse reactions when there is a mass produced new type of vaccine.

 

[Unseul]

Some vaccines are dead bits of the illness. Some are weakened versions.
mRNA gets our bodies to produce specific parts of the disease (preferably something that is very unlikely to evolve quickly, so will stay relevant).

Dead ones are one and done, so the immune response might not be that strong, since it didn't have time to learn much.

Weakened still multiply, so give you more time to build a response (but can also do some more damage). And there's a small risk that your body targets one of the differences, rather than shared attributes (don't quote me on that though).

mRNA has a reasonably predictable lifespan, so we can guess at just how much will be produced. It also means that there's no chance of catching the illness with it.

All of them stimulate your immune system, so can all trigger auto immune responses, such as MS or eczema etc.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I think some posters, especially in recent days, have forgotten about how dire things were in the UK and around the world from around March '20, until the vaccines began to officially roll out around December '20.

No, they didn't forget. They just thought the lockdowns etc were completely unnecessary and were being used as a test to control muh' freedoms.

I mean a recent poster here pretty much said as much, i.e. the lockdowns and distancing were made up on the spot.

There are still prominent figures with large platforms spouting the same thing.

 

[Lean]

You guys are locked into "the science" even though we are into your "anecdotal evidence" phase of the covid inquiry. None of you managed to come up with any scienific argument why young people or children were advised to have an experimental vaccination by our government, even though the risks of having the experimental vaccination outweighed the benefits as the JCVI outlined before the politicians got involved to hit their BS "75% vaccinated". Have a listen to Anna Morris KC for the Covid Vaccine Adverse Reaction and Bereaved Groups. Watch Badenoch claim BMI broadcast false claims that the Government was withholding data, even though everyone in this thread knows the government withheld information or padded the stats they wanted to push. If you guys are unwilling to admit there were mistakes then you are just as bad as the antivaxers and conspiracy theorists.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

You guys are locked into "the science" even though we are into your "anecdotal evidence" phase of the covid inquiry. None of you managed to come up with any scienific argument why young people or children were advised to have an experimental vaccination by our government, even though the risks of having the experimental vaccination outweighed the benefits as the JCVI outlined before the politicians got involved to hit their BS "75% vaccinated". Have a listen to Anna Morris KC for the Covid Vaccine Adverse Reaction and Bereaved Groups. Watch Badenoch claim BMI broadcast false claims that the Government was withholding data, even though everyone in this thread knows the government withheld information or padded the stats they wanted to push. If you guys are unwilling to admit there were mistakes then you are just as bad as the antivaxers and conspiracy theorists.

It wasn't experimental though.
How many times can I tell you that I was part of 50,000 people who were on clinical trials between June 2020 and December 2020 before Margaret Keenan was given hers?
Think of another vaccine where the trials consisted of 50,000 people, there isn't.

Also it was advised for kids to have it but they didn't have to, they weren't forced, that was down to parents.

 

[Unseul]

You guys are locked into "the science" even though we are into your "anecdotal evidence" phase of the covid inquiry. None of you managed to come up with any scienific argument why young people or children were advised to have an experimental vaccination by our government, even though the risks of having the experimental vaccination outweighed the benefits as the JCVI outlined before the politicians got involved to hit their BS "75% vaccinated". Have a listen to Anna Morris KC for the Covid Vaccine Adverse Reaction and Bereaved Groups. Watch Badenoch claim BMI broadcast false claims that the Government was withholding data, even though everyone in this thread knows the government withheld information or padded the stats they wanted to push. If you guys are unwilling to admit there were mistakes then you are just as bad as the antivaxers and conspiracy theorists.

Yes we have, but you're calling at least some of it BS.

I've started reading a bit of the groups paperwork. However, I'm not going through tons of stuff, just to get to something relevant.

So where does Anna Morris talk about the risks and benefits of the vaccine, and why it shouldn't have been given to children?

Also, your scientific evidence that herd immunity is irrelevant with regards to COVID.