COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Murphy · 2025-01-30T10:40:05+0000

Simon said:
Im not basing my entire argument on only personal experience, so that’s a wrong statement. I’ve shared several links. Obviously ignored

You have, unfortunately none of the links you've posted seem to support your argument that...

Simon said:
I guess the testing isn’t the issue I have with it. The issue is the apparent effect of it on colleagues and friends, several have had blood clots including a TIA, Blood clot in lung and DVT in leg. Pain in leg after the shot etc. my dad who hid through the whole of lockdown as he had COPD had the first vaccine and blood clots in leg. 2nd caused ‘too many red blood cells’ finally succumbing to a heart attack. He was fine before the shot and just wasted the last 2.5yrs of life locked in his house

I just don’t trust anything about it. The virus seems to be a man made gain of function version of coronavirus and the vaccine type was patented in the 1990s. Lockdowns, 2m distancing etc all just made up on the spot.

One of your links was about the Vaccine damage payment scheme, one was about the start of a study into the link between the vaccine and rare blood clots (key words there being start and rare), one was about a New study updates evidence on rare heart condition after COVID vaccination (again keyword there being rare), one was about Lessons Learned and the Path Forward, one was about The unvaccinated NHS workers facing the sack, one was about how there wasn't any scientific evidence for why the 2m social distancing rule was chosen, and one was about how regulations need to catch up with advancements in medicine.

I count two links that appear to be relevant to the argument you're making, assuming your argument is that you seemingly know a disproportionate number of people who have been effected by blood clots, and those two links seem to indicate that the story you told as a reason for not trusting anything about it seems rather unusual.

Or let me guess, that's not what your argument for not trusting anything about actually is, your argument for not trusting anything about it is now something entirely different.

SexyGreyFox · 2025-01-30T11:09:54+0000

Simon said:
No worth replying as you used CT. Nor did I say gene twice. Freefaller has said what I would have said if I was as good at posting as him.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck

Anyway, you still haven't acknowledged that the 1979 Vaccine Damage Payment had Covid added to it and we didn't make a new one up for Covid.

I don't care what other countries might have done.

UTmaniac · 2025-01-30T11:14:27+0000

Simon says, let's talk testicles in the covid thread.

Rroff · 2025-01-30T11:23:14+0000

Simon said:
I just don’t trust anything about it. The virus seems to be a man made gain of function version of coronavirus and the vaccine type was patented in the 1990s. Lockdowns, 2m distancing etc all just made up on the spot.

There are several completely different approaches to the vaccine - some of them do just take existing techniques and adapt them for this coronavirus but others are completely different including the mRNA vaccines which only became viable due to breakthroughs enabled by the enormous increase in funding, resources and attention thrown at them due to COVID.

Lockdowns, masks and distancing, etc. aren't anything new and based on literally centuries of learning about these diseases (as mentioned by posters like Freakbro) - you can see historical epidemics and pandemics where the same approaches have been used with varying results, though there was some improvisation as to what "probably" worked best when they were implemented as sadly for some reason there was enormous reluctance to throw the money and resources behind conducting high quality studies, especially early on, so we knew exactly what we were dealing with and how to best tackle it - our approach could have been much more optimised.

Years ago I worked for awhile in a commercial lab which could be rapidly repurposed as a IIRC BSL3 lab in the event of things like a major chemical or biological event and a lot of this stuff was in the handbooks back then - sadly the government(s) of the 2010s phased a lot of the preparedness out without replacement making for a chaotic situation trying to bring it back when actually needed.

Simon · 2025-01-30T11:34:42+0000

SexyGreyFox said:
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck

Anyway, you still haven't acknowledged that the 1979 Vaccine Damage Payment had Covid added to it and we didn't make a new one up for Covid.

I don't care what other countries might have done.

I publicly declare i acknowledge your comment

Covid-19: UK makes first payments to compensate injury or death from vaccines

The first compensation payments in the UK have been made to families who have been bereaved, or to people who have been injured, as a result of a covid-19 vaccine. Vikki Spit from Cumbria is believed to be the first person to receive compensation, after her 48 year old partner, Zion, became ill...

www.bmj.com

Simon · 2025-01-30T11:35:16+0000

UTmaniac said:
Simon says, let's talk testicles in the covid thread.

Dont think we have mentioned ball sacks yet

Unseul · 2025-01-30T11:44:08+0000

Simon said:
I publicly declare i acknowledge your comment

Covid-19: UK makes first payments to compensate injury or death from vaccines

The first compensation payments in the UK have been made to families who have been bereaved, or to people who have been injured, as a result of a covid-19 vaccine. Vikki Spit from Cumbria is believed to be the first person to receive compensation, after her 48 year old partner, Zion, became ill...

www.bmj.com

What do you think your link proves in relation to his comment?

SexyGreyFox · 2025-01-30T11:50:27+0000

Simon said:
I publicly declare i acknowledge your comment

Covid-19: UK makes first payments to compensate injury or death from vaccines

The first compensation payments in the UK have been made to families who have been bereaved, or to people who have been injured, as a result of a covid-19 vaccine. Vikki Spit from Cumbria is believed to be the first person to receive compensation, after her 48 year old partner, Zion, became ill...

www.bmj.com

It's sad that since 1979 you only get one payment of £120,000 when your life has been destroyed by a vaccine.
I personally know one bloke who had the Covid vaccine and it started Guillan Barre Syndrome, any vaccine could have started it.
His family had to prove he was more than 60% disabled through it (I think that's the %) and it was only last year he finally got the compensation.
Problem is he earned a lower 6 figure salary and had lost over £300,000 since the vaccine.
He died shortly after getting the money.

SexyGreyFox · 2025-01-30T11:52:33+0000

Unseul said:
What do you think your link proves in relation to his comment?

It's there in black and white, it first appeared in 1979

A handful of other people have received payments in the past few days under the government’s vaccine damage payment scheme (VDPS), which pays out up to a maximum of £120 000 (€140 000; $150 000).

Unseul · 2025-01-30T11:55:44+0000

SexyGreyFox said:
It's there in black and white, it first appeared in 1979

A handful of other people have received payments in the past few days under the government’s vaccine damage payment scheme (VDPS), which pays out up to a maximum of £120 000 (€140 000; $150 000).

I was mostly concerned that he'd read the title and that was it, since the title could be misinterpreted to suggest that it was the first time vaccine damages had ever been paid out.

SexyGreyFox · 2025-01-30T12:12:52+0000

Unseul said:
I was mostly concerned that he'd read the title and that was it, since the title could be misinterpreted to suggest that it was the first time vaccine damages had ever been paid out.

He knows now, I think.

Tephnos · 2025-01-30T12:27:45+0000

If only vaccines (of all kinds) were 100% perfect. Unfortunately, the immune system is something we still don't fully understand. We can give it a textbook and tell it to read and learn from it (what a vaccine essentially does), but in some people it just goes absolutely haywire for no explainable reason. This happens even without medical intervention (such as the sudden development of allergies you never had before).

It doesn't mean we should become antivax or call a particular vaccine crap (unless it genuinely is, and vaccines such as that are caught in trials and pulled before they can reach the public generally). And no, a vaccine like mRNA is not going to cause issues that will be noticed years from now. Immune system responses to vaccines going haywire are fairly rapid and show within weeks, well within study periods. The only thing I can think of was in a certain rare subset of people, mRNA lipids seemed to not be flushed by the immune system fully and could build up. However, this was reported years ago and I've heard absolutely zero on it causing issues.

Werewolf · 2025-01-30T12:28:10+0000

SexyGreyFox said:
It's sad that since 1979 you only get one payment of £120,000 when your life has been destroyed by a vaccine.
I personally know one bloke who had the Covid vaccine and it started Guillan Barre Syndrome, any vaccine could have started it.
His family had to prove he was more than 60% disabled through it (I think that's the %) and it was only last year he finally got the compensation.
Problem is he earned a lower 6 figure salary and had lost over £300,000 since the vaccine.
He died shortly after getting the money.

IIRC an awful lot of government mandated payouts for things are set once, then not looked at again for decades so what once was quite a lot might now be an insultingly low amount.

A quick google says that if that was set in 1979 and kept up to date with inflation it would be over 1 million today.

Tephnos · 2025-01-30T12:30:07+0000

Werewolf said:
IIRC an awful lot of government mandated payouts for things are set once, then not looked at again for decades so what once was quite a lot might now be an insultingly low amount.

A quick google says that if that was set in 1979 and kept up to date with inflation it would be over 1 million today.

Fat chance of any government increasing it in the near future when they argue against regulator rulings for payouts (like WASPI) saying they have no money for it...

Werewolf · 2025-01-30T12:31:06+0000

Tephnos said:
If only vaccines (of all kinds) were 100% perfect. Unfortunately, the immune system is something we still don't fully understand. We can give it a textbook and tell it to read and learn from it (what a vaccine essentially does), but in some people it just goes absolutely haywire for no explainable reason. This happens even without medical intervention (such as the sudden development of allergies you never had before).

It doesn't mean we should become antivax or call a particular vaccine crap (unless it genuinely is, and vaccines such as that are caught in trials and pulled before they can reach the public generally). And no, a vaccine like mRNA is not going to cause issues that will be noticed years from now. Immune system responses to vaccines going haywire are fairly rapid and show within weeks, well within study periods.

Yup or if say you get stung repeatedly in quick succession by an insect you might then develop an allergy to it.
One of the funny things is that IIRC some infections can cause you to become more sensitive and develop allergies., and some allergies can mean you're more likely to get certain infections.

SexyGreyFox · 2025-01-30T12:59:50+0000

Tephnos said:
Fat chance of any government increasing it in the near future when they argue against regulator rulings for payouts (like WASPI) saying they have no money for it...

My wife is a WASPI, finally gets her State Pension this year.

Rroff · 2025-01-30T13:06:48+0000

Tephnos said:
If only vaccines (of all kinds) were 100% perfect. Unfortunately, the immune system is something we still don't fully understand. We can give it a textbook and tell it to read and learn from it (what a vaccine essentially does), but in some people it just goes absolutely haywire for no explainable reason. This happens even without medical intervention (such as the sudden development of allergies you never had before).

It doesn't mean we should become antivax or call a particular vaccine crap (unless it genuinely is, and vaccines such as that are caught in trials and pulled before they can reach the public generally). And no, a vaccine like mRNA is not going to cause issues that will be noticed years from now. Immune system responses to vaccines going haywire are fairly rapid and show within weeks, well within study periods. The only thing I can think of was in a certain rare subset of people, mRNA lipids seemed to not be flushed by the immune system fully and could build up. However, this was reported years ago and I've heard absolutely zero on it causing issues.

Unfortunately it is more complicated than that even - I have an intolerance to some excipients (and artificial colours or flavours sometimes used in medicine) that like 99.99999% of the population have absolutely zero issue with for example.