Cyberpunk 2077 Ultra performance

[ICDP]

I played Witcher 3 on release with my amd 290x and it ran fine at 1080p, dunno why some people have to complain about everything

I assume his post is referring to Hairworks in Withcer 3. If you played it on a 290X then you would have had to turn hairworks off. I had a 980 at the time and hairworks was unusable until it was patched. The main thing for Nvidia was that it tanked AMD GPUs even harder. A GTX 980 and 290X had very similar performance in Witcher 3 until you turned on hairworks. Thankfully most review sites tested with Hairworks off to remain objective.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/page6.html

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...dia-hairworks-really-sabotage-amd-performance

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

So are AMD fanboys salivating of Nvidia's RT and sponsorship in this game too? You did not specify which group of 'fanboys' so I would assume both

If you had the hardware and played it running you would love it too, but it seems you don't Then if dont have the hardware what basis of comparison do you have

I personally think it looks stunning, few bugs that I can live with but gorgeous.

Are you trying to say we are not allowed an opinion on the game unless we have the "hardware". What is the "hardware" we need then?

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

I didn't post these pics as beuty shots, rather to show even in daylight how much RT effects the IQ. I expected RT just to be applied to simple spot effects.



Should have gone to Specsavers. Download them and then flip between.



The amount of whine over CP2077 is crazy, I just presumed it was the people rather than the game as I've not had any real issues

My post pretty much said cyberpunk is untouchable as if you post anything slightly negative an army of people jump to defend it.

Looks like that's exactly what happened here.
Your screenshots once again showed how basic the game looks at times.

And again who is whining? It's the 3rd or 4th time you've said that?
Some people discuss and highlight things they feel slightly let down by with the hopes of improvement over time and others seem to just ignore and pretend the game offers perfection in every aspect.

So maybe quit whining about the amount of "whine"

 

[fs123]

The fanbots are showing shots where you need a microscope to find the difference and claiming it's the next best thing since sliced bread. I certainly don't care about the visuals since the devs have cheaped out and put straight boxes as buildings. There are hardly any curved architecture in the Cyberjunk future.

For me, the Ai is the more serious issue here. When I play an open world game I'd like to think the npc's will react in some sort of acceptable manner. It's pointless if they turn in the opposite direction if they are blocked by an obstacle or just cower when punched. Why do they not fight back? Was that too much to ask for? The police can't even chase you in a car. What on earth????? CDProject really messed up here and it will take a lot of work to fix such glaring issues.

 

[ICDP]

The fanbots are showing shots where you need a microscope to find the difference and claiming it's the next best thing since sliced bread. I certainly don't care about the visuals since the devs have cheaped out and put straight boxes as buildings. There are hardly any curved architecture in the Cyberjunk future.

For me, the Ai is the more serious issue here. When I play an open world game I'd like to think the npc's will react in some sort of acceptable manner. It's pointless if they turn in the opposite direction if they are blocked by an obstacle or just cower when punched. Why do they not fight back? Was that too much to ask for? The police can't even chase you in a car. What on earth????? CDProject really messed up here and it will take a lot of work to fix such glaring issues.

All valid points but try to remember this is the performance thread, not the gameplay thread. So if we remain objective then there is less ammo for the CDPR defence league to fire.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I read that as @Grim5 saying that if the game was as bad as people claimed then it wouldn’t be the top seller for 3 weeks running. Perhaps I misinterpreted it. However, that’s what the numbers say to me. Not that it is the top seller because it has no competition. If the game really was as terrible as the loudest voices suggest, then the bad press and word of mouth would mean buyers wouldn’t be willing to drop £40 on it.

I don’t think it is worth £40 given how buggy it has been on release (I’m only talking bugs, not the story or rt or any other contested aspect of the game). I also don’t think it is as bad as some of the most vocal members of these threads suggest it is.

Quick edit to add that this is my opinion, it is not a sweeping statement of fact.

What game would take the top spot if cyberpunk 2077 wasn't there?
CSGO DLC? Sea of Thieves? Hades? Raft? These are the next top selling games on steam and apart from the DLC the most recent game on that list was released in September.
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=win&filter=globaltopsellers

Lets say that CP2077 was projected to sell 500,000 units in week 2 but only sold 250,000 units because of the bad press (Numbers are an estimate to make a point). That would probably still be enough to take the top spot on steam, but that is a significant dent on the sales figures.

Following on from my previous example, what game would be capable of selling more than 250,000 units in a single week to take the top spot from CP2077? There are only 2 answers I can think of. A AAA game within the first few weeks of release or an indie game that gets a boost in popularity (think fall guys and among us).

Has there been any AAA games released in the past 3 weeks or an indie game that has recieved a huge boost in popularity in the last 3 weeks? No as far as i know, therefore there is no reason that CP2077 would have been dethroned from the top spot.

You cannot draw any conclusions from CP2077 being on the top spot of the steam sales chart and the effect of the backlash.

 

[McGraw]

I wouldn’t bother trying to find the differences between RT on and off if you don’t play the game on a decent RT card. I found it very hard to find anything to show my stepson who was playing next to me on his 1070. I imagine it’s a bit like someone trying to explain to me why they can’t game below 120fps even if it means they are paying silly money for hardware and lowering settings.

I play on a 4K Panasonic 40” tv at 1440p DLSS performance with all RT on and lighting at medium. Somehow it looks absolutely ridiculous and I am an image quality stickler. Flight simming makes me used to noticing even the slightest image quality issues on dials and cockpits close up.

there are dips below 60fps even with these settings (probably my CPU partly to blame) but this is the only time I’ve ever been happy to accept the sub 60fps dips for these visuals.

Non RT just goes back to looking like a game. RT looks a lot more realistic and definitely has the wow factor for me. It’s not perfect of course but I am blown away by the graphics.

Saying that though, I am amazed at how good 1080p medium looks in comparison on the 1070.

 

[McGraw]

All valid points but try to remember this is the performance thread, not the gameplay thread. So if we remain objective then there is less ammo for the CDPR defence league to fire.

Exactly. Keep everything else in the other thread. I want image quality discussion and tweaking in here. I can’t play ultra settings but don’t whinge and accept they’re mostly for the future.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

I certainly don't care about the visuals since the devs have cheaped out and put straight boxes as buildings. There are hardly any curved architecture in the Cyberjunk future.

In some cases there actually is detail but they have removed it and reverted them back to flat surfaces similar to what you would find in GTA 3 etc.(until you get within ~5M)
see this slider for cinematic mode vs normal and look at the concrete steps. This happens everywhere..https://imgsli.com/MzQ4MDA

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

What a typical post from you. I have been using an Nvidia GPU in CP and have to disable RT at 4K because it just eats FPS. I can run it fine with DLSS at performance but then the IQ suffers massively. So it's not just about salty AMD GPU owners.

Its the new Crysis isn't it. What did you expect? Its a punishing game.

2080 is hardly going to cut it at 4K with RT lol could have told you that years ago?
You have a GPU that's almost 2.5 years old and you want to run 4k with RT with limited DLSS.

Had you been clued up you should have ditched the 2080 before Ampere came along, and got 3070 or 3080.

 

[Wrinkly]

My post pretty much said cyberpunk is untouchable as if you post anything slightly negative an army of people jump to defend it.

Looks like that's exactly what happened here.
Your screenshots once again showed how basic the game looks at times.

And again who is whining? It's the 3rd or 4th time you've said that?
Some people discuss and highlight things they feel slightly let down by with the hopes of improvement over time and others seem to just ignore and pretend the game offers perfection in every aspect.

So maybe quit whining about the amount of "whine"

Or maybe take it back to the RDNA2 section

 

[ICDP]

Its the new Crysis isn't it. What did you expect? Its a punishing game.

2080 is hardly going to cut it at 4K with RT lol could have told you that years ago?
You have a GPU that's almost 2.5 years old and you want to run 4k with RT with limited DLSS.

Had you been clued up you should have ditched the 2080 before Ampere came along, and got 3070 or 3080.

Irrelevant what GPU I have because I also have the ability to up the DLSS settings, or I could already be playing it on my new RTX 3080. You again miss the point that the game in non-RT looks like it has regressed.

RT Ultra (taken on my RTX 3080) Admittedly the water does look good but it's arguably not much better than many existing non-RT games (RDR2 for example).

RT Off - Here the non-RT water looks horrible and flat, it is arguably a regression compared to other existing titles. It looks flat and lifeless closer to the players view.

RDR2 for comparison

RT Ultra - here the differernces are subtle but hardly amazing or worth the drop in performance (taken on my RTX 2080)

RT Off

 

[Distracted]

What game would take the top spot if cyberpunk 2077 wasn't there?
CSGO DLC? Sea of Thieves? Hades? Raft? These are the next top selling games on steam and apart from the DLC the most recent game on that list was released in September.
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=win&filter=globaltopsellers

Lets say that CP2077 was projected to sell 500,000 units in week 2 but only sold 250,000 units because of the bad press (Numbers are an estimate to make a point). That would probably still be enough to take the top spot on steam, but that is a significant dent on the sales figures.

Following on from my previous example, what game would be capable of selling more than 250,000 units in a single week to take the top spot from CP2077? There are only 2 answers I can think of. A AAA game within the first few weeks of release or an indie game that gets a boost in popularity (think fall guys and among us).

Has there been any AAA games released in the past 3 weeks or an indie game that has recieved a huge boost in popularity in the last 3 weeks? No as far as i know, therefore there is no reason that CP2077 would have been dethroned from the top spot.

You cannot draw any conclusions from CP2077 being on the top spot of the steam sales chart and the effect of the backlash.

Those are valid points. I don’t think your statement about not being able to draw any conclusions is true, however I do agree that simply being the top seller doesn’t mean that it is doing as well as expected.

The other side of that coin is that without having both the expected sales figures and the actual sales figures to make comparisons, no one can say with certainty that it is or isn’t selling well.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

Or maybe take it back to the RDNA2 section

good one...........

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

Irrelevant what GPU I have because I also have the ability to up the DLSS settings, or I could already be playing it on my new RTX 3080. You againn miss the point that the game in non-RT looks like it has regressed regression (proof already given).

We wouldn't be having this conversation if you had 3080, you would be playing it in RT.

"Regressed regression (proof already given)" like what?

 

[nvidiamd]

In some cases there actually is detail but they have removed it and reverted them back to flat surfaces similar to what you would find in GTA 3 etc.(until you get within ~5M)
see this slider for cinematic mode vs normal and look at the concrete steps. This happens everywhere..https://imgsli.com/MzQ4MDA

Now that is a huge difference in quality.

 

[Poneros]

A lot of people focus on screenshots but imo it's very misleading. Ultimately a game is about being in motion, and when you play through the game it looks and feels very good, certainly far above any other open world game. Hell, even if you compare it with something like Doom Eternal, because they control & shoot very similarly, it still comes out on top in terms of visuals even though it has the disadvantage of being magnitudes larger in scope. People take too many things for granted & they don't appreciate how much work has been put into the game in order for it to run & look the way that it does while also doing all these other things (and launching on a million platforms on the same day!). It's easy to look at a single element and compare it to another game that does it better, but compare the whole package and let's see who even comes close.

Yeah, it's easy to look at what's missing, but isn't it always?

 

[TNA]

They can always play that amazing blockbuster that everyone's talking about, the fantastic Godfall...

Lol!

 

[Gregster]

Clearly you are talking about the actual gameplay which is subjective. In fact yoiur entire post could be about a 2D sprite based scroller and nobody would argue with you.

Where I see most people (in this thread) ragging on CP is to do with the so called next gen graphics and the merits of RT. Like it or not this is the latest poster child for RT effects and it will be compared in this fashion. There is evidence to show the non-RT graphics have actually regressed to sub-standard levels of even 2015 games. See my post here and comment objectively please.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/foru...s-about-rdna2.18904106/page-489#post-34389678

I have played for around 30 mins with RT off and the game still looks sweet for me. Maybe I am biased, as I am a big fan of Blade runner (original and 2049) Alita and ALtered Carbon. I genuinely feel the game gives a great cyberpunk feel. I will agree with some points and the AI is bad for NPC's and driving cars is rubbish and generally, I choose to walk to most places but from my perspective, the game looks every bit as good as I wanted and even a bit more.

 

[Nexus18]

Exactly, you need to see it in motion, the game world is just breath taking. When you look ahead etc. then you look up and see even more!

For anyone who loves the likes of blade runner, fifth element, dredd, this game is the first one to really give you that level of immersion and game world to roam about in.

Find it amusing when people say oh take away the neon lights etc. and it's bland, well, not really as it still looks good even during the day and out in the middle of nowhere and secondly, it's a bit stupid saying, remove this and that.... as it all adds to the game and gives that atmosphere to a futuristic city.

Spoiler

Performance is shocking though and definitely could/should be running better when compared to other similar open world games like gta 5, rdr 2 etc.