I've taken a few random shots for comparison. Is there no way to display these within this forum?
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Cyberpunk 2077 Ultra performance
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I've taken a few random shots for comparison. Is there no way to display these within this forum?
I have the full array Q8 Samsung from 2018.
Windows is on, RGB 8.
Cyber punk set 1.4, 1500,100
TV is in game mode with game motion plus and freesync/gsync on.
Hdmi black level normal, backlight 45, contrast 45, colour 40, brightness 0, local dimming and contrast enhancement high, gamma st2084 at 0 and colour space native on latest firmware.
For me the dark areas are where the HDR on this game really look great better than any other game I have tried. The blacks are inky black (nothing like Vincent's video) and the highlights and colours are just so clean and vibrant.
Basically what I'm seeing is nothing like his video at all, this game made my TV come to life.
My friend has similar TV to mine and he also said it was the best HDR he had seen in a game. He is on stock firmware so using completely different settings.
Both of us big into HDR, he has pretty much every HDR 4k blue ray disk ever released and I have pretty much every HDR pc game ever released, I only play HDR games.
Something is clearly a miss here because mine is nothing like Vincent's, when I go from SDR to HDR everything gets better not worse.
(I'm playing with ultra ray tracing)
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13:42 "It really isn't my intention to pay 50 quid for a game to look at garbage dumpster."
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Well, my Gregster,
Did you know there are 200 variety of sprouts? In the 70's & 80's the sprout was a bitter 'orrible baby cabbage.
Now,....... flippin' lush. Sweet tasting balls of love.
You'd love a whole bowl in butter n' chestnuts, though whizzbangs are still the same!
2021 for Gregster = try sprouts again.
Better tasting than your (2020 lockdown) hairstyle of 2020.
Very interesting look at the tech side of CP2077: http://c0de517e.blogspot.com/2020/12/hallucinations-re-rendering-of.html
At first glance I thought the one on the right was RT ON since it looked better with more realistic shadows. It turns out the RT ON is the one on the left and that looks washed out. Not sure how anyone can claim RT ON looks better after this comparison
That's because the people that are saying it's unplayable due to FPS were playing games at the same FPS not so long ago. Let's have a little realism here. I'm sure 8k 400Hz with a card to match would be wonderful but that doesn't make 1440p/60Hz unplayable.
Haha, no chance lolWell, my Gregster,
Did you know there are 200 variety of sprouts? In the 70's & 80's the sprout was a bitter 'orrible baby cabbage.
Now,....... flippin' lush. Sweet tasting balls of love.
You'd love a whole bowl in butter n' chestnuts, though whizzbangs are still the same!
2021 for Gregster = try sprouts again.
Better tasting than your (2020 lockdown) hairstyle of 2020.
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Everything to the max aside from DLSS at balanced. I flick back between Balanced and Quality as the former gives me an extra 10 frames. Get between 50 and 60 fps but the games feels pretty smooth all the time.
Some rough textures here and there and the game could use some polish (well a LOT of polish) but it looks fantastic at dawn/dusk and at night, especially in the middle of the city. Defintely looks next gen at times.
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Only as long as they're cooked properly!Nowt wrong with sprouts!
A still image can be reproduced with rasterization, but when it comes to moving around the lighting effects would be pre-baked with a lot of guess work. With RT the devs simply program in a sun, with rays, and RT can do the rest. Most games look very very good, I've not said that they don't. However RT allows lighting effects to be a lot more flexible
You just upload them on that site and post the links, I don't think there is a way to embed them on the forums
At first glance I thought the one on the right was RT ON since it looked better with more realistic shadows. It turns out the RT ON is the one on the left and that looks washed out. Not sure how anyone can claim RT ON looks better after this comparison
It's just a particularly bright day by the looks of it. Remember RT makes the whole sky a light source. Look at the pic with RT off, yes it looks nice having dark shadows etc but that would not happen when the sun is out and the sky is bright. Look for example on the underside of the building's roof on the left... RT off and it's dark, but in real life (and with RT on) the underside of that roof is lit up.
This is why there is such a divide around RT lighting/shadowing... People have been used to playing games where shading is quite dark and everything out of direct light is heavily shaded etc, but that's not realistic at all. Yes it looks nice, but it's not how it would be in the real world. The road would not have all that dark shading on a bright sunny day. That shading is where an artist has drawn something that will look nice and impress, not something realistic. Where as the shading on the RT version will change depending on the brightness of the scene
Why is it hard for you to understand that for some people less than 60 or even higher is unplayable? Their opinion counts for just as much as yours so for them RT is a feature that is counter productive.
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Hi mate thanks for the reply I've got the predator X27 monitor.
Also whats the difference between the 2 types of hdr before you get into the config screen?
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With RT on do you turn off Screen space reflections ?
Sorry for cutting most of your post but what I did cut I do agree with in regards to overuse of pre-baked shadows. But the point above kinda demonstrates where I see the problems with RT in CP2077. For me it is clear looking at the non-RT water effects (among others) in CP2077 that the devs simply cut lots of corners. There is no excuse for the non-RT water (even at max settings) to look that flat and lifeless. When devs use RT to give improved effects then fair enough, but don't do it at the expense of other more traditional effects. So when people use screenshots to show how great RT water looks in CP2077 their first question should be, "why does the non-RT water look worse than games from 5+ years ago?"
Please understand I am not talking about the implementation of RT, but the fact that without it the graphics just seem to have regressed from what is the norm. Is it because of ineptitude, lack of time, or more nefarious reasons to make RT look more impressive when you turn it on.
This is the ultra setting without RT, can anyone seriously describe that flat lifeless water as acceptable for a 2020 AAA game?
Compared to Witcher 3, which is over 5 years old from the same developers?
Exactly they did the same with some shadows so look how great RT shadows look. Of course they look much better if the devs haven't spent enough time to polish the non RT version. Meanwhile no one tells us why the white painting to the left of the motorcycle disappeared in the RT shadow.
If it is so great how come it makes such a big error? That's right in front of your eyes. It looks fine in non RT version, it looks awful in RT version.
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I also noticed that what we call RT reflections are a hoax. The static objects are all pre-baked and only the dynamic objects are reflected in real time. You can destroy a room and the reflection won't show you that, someone proved this with a footage from Control. I am not sure about CP but one can try to do some damage on a building reflected in a puddle or another surface. And you will see that the reflection is in fact pre-baked, you won't see the destruction in the reflection. Such a waste of resources for almost nothing to gain.
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Look here in that picture with RT on vs RT off. RT on looks awful :
RT On
RT Off
Both are horrible but with RT on the white paint is no longer visible.
The game is hobbled with stuff like this throughout the game. This is why RT isn't that important.
And did he purposely disable ambient occlusion and self shadowing just to see it on RT? Because it's noticeably missing in the RT OFF screenshot.
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