I follow all the road rules - I've not seen any motorist adhere to the highway code revision though.
Cyclists apopletic about law being applied to them
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I follow all the road rules - I've not seen any motorist adhere to the highway code revision though.
The self-entitled attitude of cyclists gets nauseating at times. Fortunately the stick I keep on the passenger seat to knock them over brings hours of chuckles.
Soldato
Traffic lights don't always work properly for cyclists alone without traffic behind. There's at least a few sets in my area like this. You either dismount and walk and likely technically break some law in doing so or can't continue. No excuse otherwise I'll admit.
Soldato
Can I forward your details to the police?
Go for it.
You forgot to sign that off with 'self entitled car driver'.
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I would never go through a red light on a bike, mostly as I value my life. I drive a car and occasionally cycle.
I think it's fair enough that the law is applied equally. As the law stands, cyclists have no defence, and should behave accordingly.
I'd like to see more action taking against people texting and driving/ riding bikes. I see a lot of that...
I think it's fair enough that the law is applied equally. As the law stands, cyclists have no defence, and should behave accordingly.
I'd like to see more action taking against people texting and driving/ riding bikes. I see a lot of that...
Soldato
I used to do this years and years ago and think I was being very clever. However riding on the pavement is illegal too, so not really a loophole if the aim of going round the traffic lights is to avoid breaking the rules.
Only if it's not a pavement shared with cyclists. I guess a lot in London probably aren't if there's a bus lane. Furthermore I suspect the fine for riding on a pedestrian only pavement is less than running a red light.
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Which one of the changes? I don't think that's a great comparison considering how recently it was changed and how poorly its been advertised (also many of the changes are 'shoulds' rather than 'musts' like stopping for traffic lights).
Anyway, personally I've been surprised at how many drivers do actually seem to be following the new revisions, considering the poor publicity and lack of a proper information campaign. I've had several cars stop at junctions to let me cross while walking the dog recently. The vast majority already followed the rule about stopping when people are waiting at a zebra crossing. I was cycling with a small group at the weekend and although we weren't on the roads for that long we didn't have any cars do a close pass.
Guess the only ones I've not seen in action are for slowing down to 10mph whenever you see a horse (I've not seen a horse), or allowing cyclists breaking rule 74 to undertake before another road user turns left, or to allow cyclists to overtake when another road user is turning right (the situation hasn't arisen anywhere within view).
Soldato
They should clamp down on bus drivers pulling out with little or no signalling and playing the gross tonnage wins game. Also those bus drivers that even when given a whole lane pull across those lane markings to go around something slow like a bike in front of them.
Soldato
They are quite rare though, at least they are near me - there's only two short bits of shared pavement I can think of that I regularly pass, and a couple of stretches by a new road near a new housing estate where there are parallel pedestrian and cycle 'lanes' on the pavement. In general unless they are specifically marked I think its safe to assume they aren't shared spaces. I think the fine for riding on the pavement when it's not shared is the same £50 as going through a red light, from a couple of links on Google.
Soldato
But don't they also get DL points for running a red light?
We have quite a lot of pavements that are divided with a separate cycle lane. So much so that most cyclists choose to assume all pavements can be used.
Soldato
Do people actually get fined for riding on pavements though? I frequently see police cars on my short ride home on which I use mostly pavements as im not putting my life in the spazo hands of people driving vehicles.
Soldato
I think technically they could get points for it, but in practice it doesn't sound like that ever happens.
I've never seen it happen personally (including where people have ridden right by police officers), must be pretty rare I think.
Nah, You're going to have to try the 2nd bit again, this time in English.
A pro-cycling website who's article concentrated on the theme of wasted police resources of the operation rather than the CRIMINALS the operation caught?
That's your idea of 'balanced view'
For all of those that moaned about the Express link. I just linked the first result on Google of a few sources for the story
Soldato
It's already in English, are you foreign?
The most amazing thing about the two most extreme sub groups present in this thread:
Is that both think the other are absurd, and that they themselves are being entirely reasonable.
- Cyclists who think it's absurd that cyclists running red lights should be censured for it, and the police should concentrate only on car drivers.
- Motorists who think that all cyclists are terrible
Is that both think the other are absurd, and that they themselves are being entirely reasonable.
Soldato
This is what confuses me.
Some think it's not a big problem for cyclists to go through red lights as they aren't going to kill anyone due to not being in a "2 ton death machine"
This is a very narrow viewed opinion
These people need to look at it from the other side... The red light running cyclist is the one who might be hit by the "2 ton death machine" due to said cyclist running the light in the first place.