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as if comments like that help.
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as if comments like that help.
Caporegime
We can't agree on everything, but with these GPU's i don't know What that is.
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I've felt this way for a while Andy. AMD get slaughtered on this forum, usually from the same people who would never buy an AMD GPU no matter how good it was.
Caporegime
I'm pretty sure the people you're referring to have owned AMD GPU's?
Except maybe Lambchop.
Yup, its a blinkered and ultimately stupid mentality. Brand loyalty is one stupid concept and especially when it comes to pc gaming. Its not enough to buy a card for some people they need to be a flag waver for that brand and slate other brands at every opportunity. If the card does what the individual needs and theyre happy with it that's really all that matters.
There's only a handful of people like that. Most of us have had both nV and AMD cards. AMD are getting a bashing because of late they've done nothing worthwhile.
That is the reality, not that the whole forum is conspiring against AMD
That is the reality, not that the whole forum is conspiring against AMD
Soldato
AMD have had problems for years and come through. With them now transitioning to Finfet and Zen, including the release of HBM 2. things should get better since they can make some very decent APU's and compact systems.
something that intel and nvidia cannot do.
But they still suffer to this day from Intels anti competitive practices in the past. Don't say it is not relevant. Companies can be effected for decades due to the lack of potential income they could have received. and the fine money was pennies compared to the potential income.
they will carry on fine. every year there is a round of AMD doom mongering.
Plus AMD has always driven technology, they may be behind in process node at this moment. but they still bring out new tech that competitors take up.
something that intel and nvidia cannot do.
But they still suffer to this day from Intels anti competitive practices in the past. Don't say it is not relevant. Companies can be effected for decades due to the lack of potential income they could have received. and the fine money was pennies compared to the potential income.
they will carry on fine. every year there is a round of AMD doom mongering.
Plus AMD has always driven technology, they may be behind in process node at this moment. but they still bring out new tech that competitors take up.
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Caporegime
HBM1 was meant to be the great saviour.
APU's are ok and getting better but still suffer from a lack of single threaded IPC, having said that Carrizo is much better than Piledriver, or would be if it had L3, which brings me on to Mainstream CPU's, we have had Piledriver for too many years while AMD have improve power efficiency and performance of their CPU architectures we have seen none of it, still stuck with Piledriver, we could have a 95 Watt FX-8350 like CPU with 20% higher performance if AMD had put any of the work they put into APU's into mainstream CPU's.
It is true that Nvidia can't do APU's but Intel can and do, i5's and i7's they are APU's and their iGPU's are catching up all be it because they have EDRam and a massive process advantage.
I also don't feel that Intel anti competitive practises from so many years ago can be used to explain AMD's inability to compete, at this point i think AMD are responsible for AMD.
My worry is AMD take to long in everything they do, there is no urgency about them, Zen may well be a very good chip but its a very good chip that is needed now, not in 2 years, its too late by then.
I'm not too sure about this never having owned an AMD GPU, makes you a fanboy thing. (and yes I know nobody actually said that)
(This is going to go down well
)I mean my self, in my machine I have never had an AMD GPU, but in my wife's machine and my sons they have both had AMD GPU's which I have paid for, but seeing as it is for them there not mine so I haven't owned one.
Out of the last 30 machines I have built for people that didn't specify what GPU they wanted, 17 of them have had AMD GPU's , because I deemed that was the best GPU to get within budget, but I didn't pay for any of them so I didn't own them either.
If this makes me a NVidia fanboy, then so be it.
(This is going to go down well
)I mean my self, in my machine I have never had an AMD GPU, but in my wife's machine and my sons they have both had AMD GPU's which I have paid for, but seeing as it is for them there not mine so I haven't owned one. Out of the last 30 machines I have built for people that didn't specify what GPU they wanted, 17 of them have had AMD GPU's , because I deemed that was the best GPU to get within budget, but I didn't pay for any of them so I didn't own them either.
If this makes me a NVidia fanboy, then so be it.
Soldato
Agreed pointless threads! Not just GPU but anything I buy never comes from me looking at how X company is doing!
I buy a product if its fits what am looking for...
Close this pointless thread.
I buy a product if its fits what am looking for...
Close this pointless thread.
Caporegime
Soldato
I wouldn't even mind the thread but the title? 'sake.
Like I said, word of mouth. I wish some people would shut theirs. I had a convo with a, erm, friend earlier and he's stopped posting here now. All a shame and all completely unnecessary.
Like I said, word of mouth. I wish some people would shut theirs. I had a convo with a, erm, friend earlier and he's stopped posting here now. All a shame and all completely unnecessary.
Soldato
Yeah, HBM 1 is great at what it does, its just a bit of a limit on the fury x with only 4GB being available. on a technical and space/power saving side of things, HBM is fantastic. IF they had released a mid range card with HBM 1 to experiment, then it would have made more sense with the 4GB cap. The bandwidth might not have made sense for the market segment, but the space and power savings still show.
I know what you mean with their cpu's, we have been stuck with the same FX series for a while now. A refresh was a long time coming. But a lot of their improvements seem to have been invested in mobile and server parts. which at the end of the day sell in higher volume.
Yeah, Intel's Gpu's have improved performance with ES/Dram, but most of that comes from the improved latency and bandwith. But the amd GPU cores are still stronger, just held back by DDR3. So going over to HBM will give them a large improvement considering the capacity is greater.
but they could still provide whole systems on a chip with HBM acting as system memory.
Yeah, some of their current situation is self inflicted, but a company can suffer for decades due to a lack of investment money from sale. while their competitor only gets stronger due to the extra money.
But zen should be out q3/4 next year, it was just taped out recently from word on the net.
but we just have to see. it looks like intel won't be moving to a node smaller than 20/14nm for a while. And the improvements in EUV with single patterning look promising for the industry as a whole when it comes to improving yields.
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This time around whether it's the same posters of negativity or new posters of negativity, the stack of 300 series products + Fury and the criticism can be justified in quite a few areas of weakness on Amd's part. This is their product line to get them by for a year or so.
Starting from the start the rebranded r7 360,r7 370 both these cards have replaced the r7 260 and the r7 265 respectively at a higher pricepoint than their older siblings through Amd Marketing.
However in reality we've lost the 1280 shader r7 270/x and for the same money we now have to buy an inferior r7 370 which is effectively a 7850 that lacks xdma cf/true audio and freesync.
We've also lost the 896 shader 7790/260x and for the same money we now have to buy a r7 360 which is inferior and more expensive.
Secondly the r7 370 is a gcn 1.0 part and has a very outdated Vce/Uvd Engine for htpc playback in particular low throughput in 1080p/ no 4kp60 support, meaning decoding has to be carried out on the cpu instead. The r7 360 is based on gcn 1.1 and provides Vce/Uvd engines comparable to Hawaii, which is still outdated in comparison to the basic Nvidia 750ti. Then when you look at the power consumption in media playback and the lack of Hdmi2 and no h.265 decode except in carrizo, over the whole range of Amd cards it just shows how well Nvidia have executed Maxwell. If you're just a gamer then you probably don't care how balanced your gcard is.
Tonga 380/285 is pretty fair in regards to it's spec vs price. The 4gb is a little dear and they need to make an itx with 4gb too. But you get Gcn 1.2 goodness so the 380 and the Fury have the best Uvd engine/vce engine out of the range and so Htpc support is pretty fair but still behind the Gtx960/Gm200 Hevc. it would be nice to have seen the 2048 shader jobby.
As for the 390/390x, Fury that's already been discussed and I've made my points in other threads.
I will say this I consider myself Amd biased sure, but I will admit and point out Amd's failings and merits too. However it does annoy me when the Amd biased posters reject any negativity even when it's justified.
Soldato
I'm not brand biased. I just don't want Nvidia after the 970 fiasco. You know? buy a 980ti then find out something is amiss. My trust has been lost, but, I don't go around constantly banging on about it.
I too have my gripes with AMD, but I feel they get a lot of negative press that they just don't deserve. Yeah, the rebranded 300 cards are a total bummer, but let's not forget any one in the market to buy a GPU now. They should be cheaper, and they will be so that's not too much of an issue (right now they're too expensive, IMO).
So as you can see, I too have my shortcomings with AMD right now. Here I am with Fury X money, unable to buy one for love nor money. That sucks !
But it's just the doom and gloomers that are getting me, and a good few others, down. Every thread is about the 980ti or an AMD thread that gets wrecked and turned into a 980ti jizz fest.
It's really depressing.
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AMD is fine, stop worrying guys.
Caporegime
Maybe DX12 will have a surprise is store.
Yehh I agree with your lack of trust with Nvidia as I too remember when Nvidia had their bad times too. As of recent the 970 situation was valid and still is valid I'd still be tempted by an itx gtx970 but what I'm after is gtx980 performance in an itx solution. Maybe the Nano will hit the spot but it can't see it being any less than £380.
Caporegime
And AthlonXP1800.