Dark Rock 4 owners - i need re-assurance.

Quartz said:
Just to clarify: if you stand the motherboard vertically, as if it were in the case, you get the same problem, right?

Have you checked that the M.2 drive is properly secured? It is plugged all the way in and the screw holding it in place is fully tightened?
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Yes, to all of the above - every strip down and rebuild.
 
I wonder if there's a dry joint on the motherboard.

Perhaps a silly question but have you tried the stock cooler? I've had a quck scan through the thread and not noted it.
 
A faint possibility is a broken pin on the CPU: when the CPU is horizontal, the pin is in the right place; when the CPU is vertical the pin falls out of place.
 
Yes, stuck stock on this afternoon in spare 10 minutes but yet to find time to test (too tired now - think i've written the equivalent of a novel and my ear aches from phone calls - i'm frazzled :/). Hopefully, early tomorrow morning - as would like replacement hardware by Friday if possible, Tuesday latest.

Pins are fine - and as confident as i can be that it's not CPU related, given how the problem presents. But never, say never with a problem as obscure as this.

And every chance it's a MB problem in some guise - but again nothing obvious that sticks out on close inspection.
 
Same result with stock cooler.

@EsaT, @orbitalwalsh, @Danny75, @doyll, @tamzzy, @Journey, @Quartz and anyone else i've missed:

Consensus would be really helpful here:

Crux, the NVMe drive fails to install windows once secured into case (zero case attacments/cables) - but works fine breadboarded. NOTE: it will install Windows fine via a standard SSD within the case - and runs fine. So, problem leads me to think NVMe slot/stress(?) related - due to case fixing - leaning towards motherboard. (NVMe tested and passed in another computer.)

Tried
  • Tested NVMe in a different build (Tomahawk based) - worked fine
  • Tried standard SSD within build with DR4 and worked fine within case
  • Tested different coolers
  • Different USB/Downloads for installs
  • Different memory
  • Different GPU
  • Checked CPU pins
  • No warping
  • Temps were fantastic with DR 4
  • ...
*I'll add more testing that i've done in above bullet points as i remember (but everything is within the thread - i've been thorough) - but i've done more than listed...
 
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@Plec , this is the only build with base 500 or is yours/sons in one as well???? trying to figure out maybe light manufacturing default in case. Just to rule the out, swapping your sons mobo into it quickly
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@Plec , this is the only build with base 500 or is yours/sons in one as well???? trying to figure out maybe light manufacturing default in case. Just to rule the out, swapping your sons mobo into it quickly
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I know - the one thing i haven't tested - different case :/

Son's case was Q110 (and complete PITA to work on) - he wanted an optical drive bay.

/really, really, don't want to have to strip down another system :(
 
@Plec mount in the case but place the case horizontal.
IE mobo also horizontal
Does the issue still occur?
Dry/improperly soldered joints does seem the most likely.
 
Plec said:
I know - the one thing i haven't tested - different case :/

Son's case was Q110 (and complete PITA to work on) - he wanted an optical drive bay.

/really, really, don't want to have to strip down another system :(
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takes 5 mins :P
9 off mobo screws out then back in ;)

Damn, with Pound falling and Gigabyte stocks. Gaming X/UD back up to £150 :(
 
tamzzy said:
@Plec mount in the case but place the case horizontal.
IE mobo also horizontal
Does the issue still occur?
Dry/improperly soldered joints does seem the most likely.
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Tested in horizontal and vertical - each rebuild.

orbitalwalsh said:
takes 5 mins :p
9 off mobo screws out then back in ;)
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Yes, but then the windows install, trying different memory - and chasing my tail with work.

I have another system i could pull apart (my son and daughter are home - i think they would freak if i ripped the guts out of their new systems.). But, i'm very much at the FFS stage, due to time constraints - i'm sure you get it...
 
Maybe also test with only the top three motherboard standoffs in use (screwed). Leave all the other standoffs unused.

And maybe also with only the top-centre standoff in use, to eliminate any side-to-side warp.
 
@Plec Honestly i dont work so couldn't comment on the "sure you get it " part if its related to work... damn working from home.. actually done some work!

wouldn't bother with windows install if you swap builds around into BASE 500- if thats the problem will cause issue on what ever windows/build is put into it
 
When this is eventually, up and running, i'm naming it Jordan:

It's the build equivalent of Katy Price, high on Ketamine while doing the school run in her Pink Land rover. It's all over the place and every point of access leads to an eventual crippled Windows/windscreen...

orbitalwalsh said:
@Plec Honestly i dont work so couldn't comment on the "sure you get it " part if its related to work... damn working from home.. actually done some work!
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That sentence has confused my already addled brain :D

You do work?..

And i'm working from home now (did a lot anyway), only go in if they need face to face - but my work load has doubled due to recent events. This, computer issue has come at a very bad time - i may have to throw money at it.
 
Just a thought but have you eliminated the GPU as the source of the problem? Either by putting in a much lighter GPU or by moving the GPU to a lower slot?

I'm asking because the GPU is itself massive and will put a stress on the motherboard.
 
Danny75 said:
Maybe also test with only the top three motherboard standoffs in use (screwed). Leave all the other standoffs unused.
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**** - I'm going to have to try a different case. 4 screws (top 3 and second one down nearest edge of backplate loosely fitted to limit sliding) and, still operational with driver installs and 6 restarts. I realise, very limited testing but it would have normally corrupted by now.

It's not really proved anything more that i'm already assuming but it's another piece of evidence that's forced my hand into testing in another case after i've finished a few calls :/ (Damn you @Danny75 :D - i knew i had to do it, but i needed a shove, your test gave me no way out, kudos, and #$*&ing bloodies!)

Quartz said:
Just a thought but have you eliminated the GPU as the source of the problem? Either by putting in a much lighter GPU or by moving the GPU to a lower slot?

I'm asking because the GPU is itself massive and will put a stress on the motherboard.
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Yes, i've been pretty thorough:

Plec said:
Tried
  • Tested NVMe in a different build (Tomahawk based) - worked fine
  • Tried standard SSD within build with DR4 and worked fine within case
  • Tested different coolers
  • Different USB/Downloads for installs
  • Different memory
  • Different GPU
  • Checked CPU pins
  • No warping
  • Temps were fantastic with DR 4
  • ...
*I'll add more testing that i've done in above bullet points as i remember (but everything is within the thread - i've been thorough) - but i've done more than listed...
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