DCS:- Black Shark 2

Awesome! and released in time for the dark nights :cool:

Hopefully they can sort out making the modules 'plug in' to the base engine for DCS: Next, else then we're going to need a patch for the previous 2 DCS' to keep compatibility. It must be a big challenge for ED to overcome but it needs to be done. Can't be easy/cost effective for them (and the test team ;) ) having to fix undiscovered issues with the recently released module as well as patching old modules to bring them up to date. The amount of common data between the A-10C and Ka-50 just now, there's no need for us to have 2 copies of the same textures, sounds etc, it's just a waste of space. I'm confident they'll work something out, they aren't daft.
 
Is that true?

yep it is

Several of them are doing the rounds on forums right now
trying to do damage control for this PR disaster.
They are not all using their original ED forum names (too obvious)

On their own ED forums anything remotely that doesnt sing the praises of ED
is deleted.

For example gimpy , your post on ED got deleted ... you think for swearies ?

Nope my olde son , a couple of other posts in that thread had swearing that
wasnt even fully starred out and they were left un touched , why I hear u ask?

Because they said good things about ED

Remember listening to your customers is VERY important to ED ... as long as they are saying what they want to hear.

look at this for example
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=81022
 
Unfortunately, for undisclosed reasons, Steam has declined to sell Black Shark 2.

Unsure if I believe them or not owing to the fiasco/mis communication with their previous Steam launches.

Surely they should just go the route of having it as a DLC option for Black Shark as I have never known Valve to not allow DLC content.
 
yep it is

No, it isn't.

Several of them are doing the rounds on forums right now
trying to do damage control for this PR disaster.
They are not all using their original ED forum names (too obvious)

That's right, they have different forum names as part of some conspiricy, nothing to do with that fact that many of us have been active in the flight sim community for many years, and just maybe were members of other forums before the current ED forums even existed.

For example gimpy , your post on ED got deleted ... you think for swearies ?

You're right, it wasn't deleted because of the swearing, but because it was rude and insulting.

Remember listening to your customers is VERY important to ED ... as long as they are saying what they want to hear.

ED can and do listen to customer comments both positive and negative, what won't be tolerated are insulting or inflammatory posts. I know shocking right, a company that doesn't like people coming onto a website they provide to post insulting rubbish.


An example of what? Someone posting absolute rubbish in an attempt to cause controversy and further their own misguided agenda?

You don't like that ED/TFC have decided to charge for the upgrade, we get it. You are not the only one with that view, shockingly, ED/TFC, the Mods and the Testers were well aware people would surface and complain about it. But guess what, ED don't base important decisions on the views of the vocal minority but rather what is necessary for them to remain in buisiness. ED know that this current DCS model is not sustainable in the long term, and they are looking for viable way to improve it, but in order to do that they have to stay in buisiness.

Now if you want to offer a constructive opinion either positive or negative then feel free to post over at the ED forum, if however you just want to start an arguement and provoke controversy please don't bother. As for any negative posts being deleted, sorry but that is rubbish. There are plenty of negative posts in the BS2 thread, you problem as I see it is the inability to distinguish between contructive critisism and the sort of posts Gimpymoo and other made with are neither contructive nor critisism, they were just insulting rage posts which will not be tolerated.
 
posts Gimpymoo and other made with are neither contructive nor critisism, they were just insulting rage posts which will not be tolerated.

With all respect, you are not on the ED payroll and you did not delete my post therefore anything you say is conjecture on your behalf.

Therefore, your views are those of yourself and not those of ED and as we are not on the ED forums here, I believe we are free to say whatever we please.

Customers rage about game developers in the PC Games forum all the time, many with good reason, and ED, like it or not, are no exception to that rule there are some people out there who do not like them. People are entitled to say as such and are entitled to their own opinion as is yourself but you have no right to tell others on another forum what they can/cannot say.
 
With all respect, you are not on the ED payroll and you did not delete my post therefore anything you say is conjecture on your behalf.

No, however I do speak to those who did regularly so know exactly what the mods have been dealing with recently. And trust me when I say your post was quite tame in comparison to some that have been removed, hence the zero tolerance approach the the mod team has taken. Oh, and with the exception of EB1, none of the mods are on the ED payroll either. ;)

Therefore, your views are those of yourself and not those of ED and as we are not on the ED forums here, I believe we are free to say whatever we please.

Customers rage about game developers in the PC Games forum all the time, many with good reason, and ED, like it or not, are no exception to that rule there are some people out there who do not like them. People are entitled to say as such and are entitled to their own opinion as is yourself but you have no right to tell others on another forum what they can/cannot say.

Absolutely, but equally don't be suprised when people correct any errors in your posts or misconceptions you may have. ;) And don't be suprised if when you make such posts on ED forums they are removed, just the same as the mods would remove any similar posts about OcUK here.

As I said before, it's not what has been said that was the issue, it's the way it was said.

As for the rage, yes on FPS forums these things are the norm, but please remember the flight sim market is comprised of largely older more mature and (in the nicest possible way) more intelligent people, and as such they expect other members to behave in the same way. Some things which may be tolerated on an FPS forum are absolutely not tolerated on a flight sim forum.
 
As for the rage, yes on FPS forums these things are the norm, but please remember the flight sim market is comprised of largely older more mature and (in the nicest possible way) more intelligent people, and as such they expect other members to behave in the same way. Some things which may be tolerated on an FPS forum are absolutely not tolerated on a flight sim forum.

Lol, not in my experience...
 
Lol, not in my experience...

Fair one these days, maybe I should ammend my post to say "the sim community of old". What can i say, I've been flying with and associating with the same demographic of simmers since the mid 90's. In my eyes they are the community, rather than the more visible and vocal people who on the whole are actually quite new to the genre.

Still, compare posts over at the EA or Ubi forums..... :D
 
Fair one these days, maybe I should ammend my post to say "the sim community of old". What can i say, I've been flying with and associating with the same demographic of simmers since the mid 90's. In my eyes they are the community, rather than the more visible and vocal people who on the whole are actually quite new to the genre.

Still, compare posts over at the EA or Ubi forums..... :D

So its ok to post stuff if you are older and have been simming for a while then ?

A bit discriminatory some would say but you are entitled to your opinion

Good job I have been flying sims for over 29 years , my opinion must be like the booming voice of god in your eyes then eh ?
 
So its ok to post stuff if you are older and have been simming for a while then ?

A bit discriminatory some would say but you are entitled to your opinion

Good job I have been flying sims for over 29 years , my opinion must be like the booming voice of god in your eyes then eh ?

It's ok to post constructive 'stuff' regardless of age or experience.

You need to stop taking things quite so seriously. And you're right, I do discriminate when it comes to those I associate and fly with, and for good reason.

If you've been active in the community for that long (suprising considering nobody seems to have heard of you) I'd have thought you'd be able to understand the reasons behind EDs actions, wether you agree with them or not, and rather than making inflammatory posts about having to pay for an upgrade or the many other things you seem to take issue with, actually be offering something more constructive.

As you've said, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but people don't have to post in a negative way to get that opinion across. In fact posting in a negative fashion is almost sure to get even a valid viewpoint, at best, ignored.
 
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You don't like that ED/TFC have decided to charge for the upgrade, we get it. You are not the only one with that view, shockingly, ED/TFC, the Mods and the Testers were well aware people would surface and complain about it. But guess what, ED don't base important decisions on the views of the vocal minority but rather what is necessary for them to remain in buisiness. ED know that this current DCS model is not sustainable in the long term, and they are looking for viable way to improve it, but in order to do that they have to stay in buisiness.
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Hardly the minority, and I was under the impression the mods and testers were unaware this was going to happen...kind of makes your statement look a little shakey to me.

Not many developers spring negative surprises on their customers, people generally dont like that kind of thing. Its hardly surprising there was an uproar about it. ED should have explained this was going to happen months ago, and the reasons for it. Yes you still would have had some people complaining, and questions would no doubt be raised about the future of DCS developement, however it would have brought it all out in the open.
I think Rock, Paper, Shotgun sum it up pretty well with "It’s an object lesson in how not to manage a sim franchise."

I hope they keep people more informed in the future, as it will happen again.
 
Hardly the minority, and I was under the impression the mods and testers were unaware this was going to happen...kind of makes your statement look a little shakey to me.

Up until recently we didn't know the direction was for a Paid Upgrade with added features. However we did know in advance of the release.

I hope they keep people more informed in the future, as it will happen again.

I agree, I do hope that is something they keep in mind, It could have been handled a lot better.

Nate
 
It's ok to post constructive 'stuff' regardless of age or experience.

You need to stop taking things quite so seriously. And you're right, I do discriminate when it comes to those I associate and fly with, and for good reason.

If you've been active in the community for that long (suprising considering nobody seems to have heard of you) I'd have thought you'd be able to understand the reasons behind EDs actions, wether you agree with them or not, and rather than making inflammatory posts about having to pay for an upgrade or the many other things you seem to take issue with, actually be offering something more constructive.

As you've said, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but people don't have to post in a negative way to get that opinion across. In fact posting in a negative fashion is almost sure to get even a valid viewpoint, at best, ignored.

So your previous post was on about people not being into sims that long
now you have changed tack to constructive no matter how long u been simming ... :)

Just because I dont hang with your online crew doesnt make my opinion less valid


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Hardly the minority, and I was under the impression the mods and testers were unaware this was going to happen...kind of makes your statement look a little shakey to me..

In comparison to the size of the userbase it is a minority, although undoubtly not an insignificant minority. And we were fully aware of the plans.

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ot many developers spring negative surprises on their customers, people generally dont like that kind of thing. Its hardly surprising there was an uproar about it. ED should have explained this was going to happen months ago, and the reasons for it. Yes you still would have had some people complaining, and questions would no doubt be raised about the future of DCS developement, however it would have brought it all out in the open.
I think Rock, Paper, Shotgun sum it up pretty well with "It’s an object lesson in how not to manage a sim franchise."

I hope they keep people more informed in the future, as it will happen again.

Put yourself in ED position for a minute. In the past they have told the community what their plans were, and when their plans changed (eg planned release date slipping) elements of the community went mad much like they are now. And again this time, ED had previously said that the PLAN was to release a free compatibility patch fo BS. When that plan changed and BS2 was release, again elements of community start throwing insults.

And I'll say, while you and other have seen BS2 as a negative, I honestly don't think ED did. They saw what they did as a positive. When they decided they would have to charge for the upgrade, they elected to include additional features that were not originally planned (such as the EDM cockpit) in order to give more value for money. I'd argue that many other developers wouldn't do so.

To be honest, after the events of the past week I'd be suprised if ED release any information about their plans again, instead I suspect the first the public hear about a new project will be when it's released, or at least VERY close to release.

Now I'm not saying I agree 100% with everything ED have done or the way they have gone about it, because I and others in the test/mod team don't necessarily agree with everything. But we do understand and respect the descisions and the people making them.

What some fail to understand is that ED is a Russian company with primarily Russian staff, when they see the sort of negative posts on the English forums that have been cropping up over recent days, an attitude with doesn't seem to exist to such a degree on the Russian forums. Can you not at least understand their reluctance to share information?
 
Just because I dont hang with your online crew doesnt make my opinion less valid

Never meant to insinuate it didn't. And I don't have a 'crew', I've been an active part of many areas of the community and many VFWs going back a good while now.

I've seen many developers and titles come and go, and imho ED are the only people out there at the moment keeping the study sim genre alive. The actions of some people who seem to want ED to fail just because they don't agree with everything they do are misguided at best.
 
Let me get this straight , they sprung something on us last minute
which was basically getting people to pay twice for something
and people are quite rightly annoyed about it ....... and you think they should share less info ....................
rofl
 
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