Non educate, at least the yougov one asks a few different questions and hence you get very low support on some questions. Like death penalty for all murders is just 16%.
Death row final statements
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Non educate, at least the yougov one asks a few different questions and hence you get very low support on some questions. Like death penalty for all murders is just 16%.
Soldato
Here's a poll for you - who thinks george is wrong? lol
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I don't think it's a subject you can be right or wrong on really. You can just have an opinion about it. However I do think George comes across rather obnoxious.
Indeed.
You were comparing murder with killing in a War....you went so far as to call it State Sanctioned Murder...in another statement you said that Murderers can never be rehabilitated, therefore if a Soldier killing in a War is murder and murderers can never be rehabilitated and should be subject to the Death Penalty themselves, you are sanctioning the state execution of Soldiers serving their country, or at least saying that a Soldier is comparable to a Murderer.
No it isn't as simple as having intent. Murder is the UNLAWFUL premeditated killing of one person by another....by definition anyone that is exempt form criminal liability is NOT a murderer and the State is not sanctioning Murder. Otherwise the person who executes the death row prisoner is therefore a Murderer and by your admission is not able to be rehabilitated and should face the same penalty.
This is why I pointed out that the subject is not as black and white as you said.
It does, it negates what you said by definition.
You simply do not release them. That is mitigation in itself and it also means that miscarriages of justice can be overturned at any time. In recent years we have had the cases of the Birmingham Six, Barry George, The Guildford Four, Stephen Downing, Stefan Kiszko, Judith Ward, Suzanne Holdsworth, Angela Cannings, Sally Clark and others could all have been potentially given the death penalty and subsequently their miscarriages of Justice never effectively overturned as they would have been dead.
Free votes held on the restoration of capital punishment in 1979 and 1994 both saw the restoration rejected both predicated by public opinion.
Possibly executing the wrong people, at massive expense (have you actually looked what the death penalty costs to enforce in US states, just on financial grounds your argument has little weight) simply doesn't work.
Whatever the wrongs of the justice system you are looking to replace it with something wrong, morally incorrect, expensive and prone to error.
Rather an unsound recommendation. To make society as safe as possible I think we should also be worrying about people who glorify capital punishment as the solution to all ills..spending the money stopping some of the problems that cause crime in the first place would be better value, though it wouldn't be as much fun for some people as watching a human being being executed I suppose.
Soldato
Excellent. I fully and enthusiastically support any mechanism that would lead to a final solution to "the Bieber" question.
are you saying people shouldnt turn into hysterical vigilantes when a little girl gets took away from her home, raped by a sick man then beaten to death..
you think people shouldnt care anymore or less?
Because killing children is much much worse than killing adults? duh.
He did not say they shouldn't care, he said they should retain their objectivity.
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If the last statement says 'No'. Does that mean there is no last statement or he just said No. No seems like a pretty unusual last thing to say, yet they could have just left it blank if they said nothing.
They said no. They ask them if they want to do a last statement, that's why a lot of them start of with "yes, "
Soldato
The RACE column alone offers an interesting insight!
Soldato
Have to wonder why and how Christians will allow this sort of thing. I'm no christian but isnt killing, killing... Plain and simple?
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I've said this earlier in the thread.
Seems like a good opportunity to plug a good film
Watch The Green Mile!
Once the guy is ready to be put to death, be injected etc then the Warden will get everything ready and he will literally be waiting to give the command to terminate the persons life.
Once it's all ready and all he has to do is give the nod, he will ask the person if they have any last words.
Hence them saying "Yes I do" or "No" or they stay silent = No statement.
Soldato
Wind your own damn neck in and read some evidence before you try and force your false facts on someone else. It is MORE EXPENSIVE, I repeat, MORE EXPENSIVE, to carry out a murder case ending in execution than it is to imprison someone for life. Therefore, you are wrong.
And that may well have been an objective view.
I think there needs to be some restraint of hysteria in these sort of cases, however horrible and totally repulsive they are.
Admittedly it is a while ago but we need to probably watch out for hysteria.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm
Soldato
1. It doesn't work as a deterrent.
2. The law is imperfect & inevitably innocent people will be executed, the law can also be corrupt.
3. I don't like giving the state the power to execute citizens, that in my opinion is the ultimate expression of authoritarianism.
4. It costs more.
5. It encourages violence to escalate, singular murders to become shoot-outs/multiple homicides (as the penalty can't get worse than "Death"), when used for rape/paedophiles it motivates the perpetrator to then kill the victim (to reduce the chance of getting caught) - also humans can do some quite extreme things when faced with survival.
That's ignoring the pretty obvious stupid logic involved in killing somebody as a punishment for killing somebody.
I'd strongly recommend everybody read the statements.
2. The law is imperfect & inevitably innocent people will be executed, the law can also be corrupt.
3. I don't like giving the state the power to execute citizens, that in my opinion is the ultimate expression of authoritarianism.
4. It costs more.
5. It encourages violence to escalate, singular murders to become shoot-outs/multiple homicides (as the penalty can't get worse than "Death"), when used for rape/paedophiles it motivates the perpetrator to then kill the victim (to reduce the chance of getting caught) - also humans can do some quite extreme things when faced with survival.
That's ignoring the pretty obvious stupid logic involved in killing somebody as a punishment for killing somebody.
I'd strongly recommend everybody read the statements.
Soldato
Good summary man, something that people are overlooking severely. Should be in the OP really.