Declining attitude to law and order

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chrcoluk said:
Actually I dont usually read the sun.
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chrcoluk said:
good use of resources?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/73306...olice-protection-claiming-she-doesnt-need-it/
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chrcoluk said:
Actually I dont usually read the sun.
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chrcoluk said:
good use of resources?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/73306...olice-protection-claiming-she-doesnt-need-it/
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You literally quoted the Sun....

You sure you aren't a Russian troll account? Claiming you don't read a source whilst linking to it is incredibly Russian Troll tier level of posting.
 
chrcoluk said:
But you all are "assuming" there was a credible threat and why was she walking around like that in public with such a threat
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The Police don't just give someone personal protection if they ask nicely. The police will review the intelligence they have and work out whether it's credible. It takes a high level of threat for personal protection to even be considered and this will almost certainly happen at Chief Officer level.

chrcoluk said:
no comments about alternative forms of protection.
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Such as? Staying at home? That wouldn't be viable for an MP, especially with what's going on at Westminster at the moment.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
The Police don't just give someone personal protection if they ask nicely. The police will review the intelligence they have and work out whether it's credible. It takes a high level of threat for personal protection to even be considered and this will almost certainly happen at Chief Officer level.



Such as? Staying at home? That wouldn't be viable for an MP, especially with what's going on at Westminster at the moment.
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Burnsy please, can't you understand that forum posters on here have thought of everything and are far more informed than the actual people making these decisions.
 
Screeeech said:
Looks like the guy who ran over that police officer was almost certainly a *****.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...death-charge-man-20-with-murder-a4216736.html



Looks as though he was charged with stealing a quad bike and murder, when you look on google maps at the 'Four Houses Corner Caravan Park' it's basically a gypo site.

I wish the Navy or RAF would send some ordinance in it's direction, raze the **** hole to the ground and everyone in it.

Scum of the earth.
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I vaguely remembered this case being mentioned on here after seeing an article on the BBC homepage just now about the verdict... the article seems a bit odd by itself, missing some detail:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-53526636

BBC said:
Albert Bowers, of Moat Close, Bramley, and Jessie Cole, of Paices Hill near Reading, laughed as they left court during the trial"
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On trial for murder/manslaughter but laughing as they leave court??? I mean they intended to steal a quad bike (an otherwise low level crime) - the killing of the officer was supposedly accidental, a low level crime has blown up into taking a life - they ought to be distraught no? They took a life, they've also ruined their lives, career prospects etc.. right?

Then this bit...

BBC said:
As the country went into lockdown over Covid-19, the first trial collapsed two-thirds of the way through the prosecution's case.

Security at that trial in March had been stepped up after police said they had uncovered a possible plot by "associates of the defendants to intimidate the jury".
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^^^ that isn't normal at all - youths involved in a low level crime - stealing a quad bike which then escalated into "accidentally" killing a police officer in the process are able to intimidate a jury like some organised crime boss...

What on earth is going on here BBC, what aren't you telling us???

How are these youths accused of an incident where an otherwise minor crime went horribly wrong leading to manslaughter of a police officer suddenly able to intimidate a jury?

Then thinking back to this getting mentioned on here - they're travelers! That completely changes the context and those details from the article now make much more sense - of course they're able to intimidate a jury, they've got a whole community with plenty of other criminals to look out for them - funny how BBC doesn't mention that at all!

You've got to read multiple sources these days to get the full picture on any news event when these deliberate ommissions are made - for example does the Guardian mention it in their coverage? Nope...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/24/teenagers-found-guilty-of-killing-pc-andrew-harper

The mirror does however mention links to the travelers site:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pc-andrew-harper-jury-given-22410072

The Sun and the Daily Fail make it very clear:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12190180/pc-harper-widow-weeps-as-thugs-cleared-murder/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-PC-Andrew-Harper-case-not-guilty-murder.html
 
I think you need to realise that in their minds the Copper was in the wrong for trying to stop them, and they've been made the victims. "It wouldn't have happened if he didn't interfere", that's what they'll be thinking. They do not accept any part of the blame, and that mentality for me should mean they get sent to prison until they accept responsibility.
 
@dowie

yep, when travellers are involved, the bbc do seem to like to skip over that rather important detail, as if to point out that a bunch of ghastly white male thugs driving around in battered vans causing criminal carnage, is some sort of racism.

I don’t know why we seem to have such a soft touch for them, in Ireland they come down on them like a tonne of bricks, I don’t know why we can’t do the same in the UK.

As for them intimidating the jury, it just makes me sick - but anything to do with travellers makes me sick, ever since they robbed us when I was 10 years old, and they rubbed a turd on the kitchen wall, so I’m always going to be slightly biased...
 
If prison is supposed to be a place for rehabilitation, how do you rehabilitate people who have never respected the law? These people are born into families where crime is their way of life. They don't add anything to society and they'll leave prison and go straight back to their criminal ways.
 
VincentHanna said:
Can I ask why you feel the verdict is a disgrace? They have all been convicted of manslaughter. A judge can still give life imprisonment for that sentence.

Doesn't murder involve premeditation?
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I was thinking that, i imagine they didn't go out that evening planning to kill a police officer.

What they ended up doing however is terrible, i just hope they get a long sentence which they are forced to serve.
 
VincentHanna said:
Can I ask why you feel the verdict is a disgrace? They have all been convicted of manslaughter. A judge can still give life imprisonment for that sentence.

Doesn't murder involve premeditation?
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Nope, not necessarily, just intent* and subsequent death.... AFAIK (though... to use a slightly rude looking acronym: IANAL)

In the US I believe 1st degree murder in vairous states involves some level of premeditaiton, 2nd degree doesn't.

AFAIK Manslaughter can lack the intent to kill but be say negligent, or can include the intent to kill but there is some diminished responsibility - losing control in the heat of the moment etc..

*to cause death or serious injury
 
Firestar_3x said:
I was thinking that, i imagine they didn't go out that evening planning to kill a police officer.

What they ended up doing however is terrible, i just hope they get a long sentence which they are forced to serve.
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One of them was still charged with murder though. I hope they do get a long sentence too, seems pretty clear IMHO they knew they were dragging the police officer behind them. Sadly the UK justice system is often quite soft were it ought to be much tougher (violent crime) and I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up being out in a few years... the actual sentences claimed to have been imposed often aren't served.
 
Some people just can't be rehabilitated, the prisons are full, so long term sentences are out of the question, so they end up out on the streets to do what they do best, commit crime.

Check this scumbag out >> https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/grimsbys-thieving-queen-crime-racks-4346092

The above has 337 offences since 1989 inc more than 200 for theft or dishonesty, about 11 for burglary and a robbery offence in 2001.

I would give people 5 chances to turn their life around, after a 5-year stint in prison with their 5th time, if they do any further crime - execute.
 
I would imagine (and hope) that sentencing will take into account they lied from the outset, the lack of remorse, the involvement of associates in jury intimidation and that it's a death of a police officer to give these guys a high sentence
 
I mean, I can understand people getting mad if they get weak sentences, but can't really get outraged about the British justice system when 3 people have been found guilty of manslaughter and haven't been sentenced yet.
 
VincentHanna said:
Can I ask why you feel the verdict is a disgrace? They have all been convicted of manslaughter. A judge can still give life imprisonment for that sentence.

Doesn't murder involve premeditation?
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Life...don't make me laugh...

The scum will be out after 6 years.
Now if they did that in the US. Yes it would be life of death.
 
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