Declining attitude to law and order

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Caracus2k said:
I posted evidence to show that the variance in police deaths between different racial demographics is likely heavily influenced by the vastly different rates they are arrested for violent offences, on a per capita basis.

You then decided to imply that the variance in arrests for violent offences was itself down to racism on behalf of the police.

So I had to play whack a mole with this silly suggestion by showing that police arrest rates for violent offences are quite consistent with the ethnic descriptions given for suspect by members of the public.

Which suggests that racism isn't a particularly relevant factor when determining the ratios of arrests, per capita, for violent offences between different racial groups.

It would nice if you even bothered to try and substantiate the claims and insinuations you frequently make.
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You've missed my point - initially you failed to provide (what you seem not to have realised was) the key data - so that your original post was, as I said, in essence, "More black people get arrested than white people."

No whack-a-mole necessary, just proof to back up your original claim.

Now tell me what unsubstantiated claims and insinuations do I frequently make?
 
garnett said:
Now tell me what unsubstantiated claims and insinuations do I frequently make?
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Insinuating that differential rates of arrests for violent offences between blacks and whites could be attributed to racism for one.

The initial post about differing arrest rates between ethnicities contained information that Asians had massively lower, per capita, arrest rates for violent offences in the US vs whites.

This should have been a clear indicator that doubling down on the racism angle, in a majority white country, was likely at best to be foolish if not just downright disengenious.

But yet here we are with you doing exactly that. (Insinuating that police racism could account for the high rates of arrests, per capita for blacks, vs whites in the USA for violent offences)
 
We should be supporting our Police, not trying to catch them out at every opportunity, they're not all bad.

During the BLM riots when hundreds of police were injured, where was the public support? media? They had none at all, I remember when a female officer on a horse ran into a sign after being startled by rioters, the BBC reported she knocked herself off, like it was her fault. :(
 
Janesy B said:
This man just ended the war on drugs!!!11



It was proven to be racist due to the constant disproportionate use of force against black people by the police.

Prove this was racially motivated without referencing other crimes and people might listen to you and take you seriously. The man was a paranoid schizophrenic but instead of addressing the fact he was released, you could just make it a race issue which will totally fix the problem.
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Wow I must have missed this response!

Nothing was proven.

Out of the 4 cops present at the arrest of George, 1 was black and 1 was Asian. So are we saying they were both racist too?

Watch this. The subject is a white guy, the police did exactly the same thing. The only people who see the death of Floyd George as racist have an agenda and not a shred of thirst for the truth.

 
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ebilcake said:
We should be supporting our Police, not trying to catch them out at every opportunity, they're not all bad.

During the BLM riots when hundreds of police were injured, where was the public support? media? They had none at all, I remember when a female officer on a horse ran into a sign after being startled by rioters, the BBC reported she knocked herself off, like it was her fault. :(
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You mean the BLM protests?

Hundreds of police injured? The highest reported figure for the London protest I can find is 27 officers injured.

"A police officer was injured after she was knocked from her horse during one protest" - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53119256

You'd have to point out where they report it in a way to make it seem like it was the officers fault.

As for support for the police, you are more than welcome to look under virtually any story that could be considered 'anti-police' on twitter, and find an outpouring of support for the police. The majority of people in this country (regardless of race) do support the police, don't let recent events/news stories convince you otherwise.
 
stockhausen said:
If you can't see any difference between the video you posted and the homicide of George Floyd, the response isn't the only thing that you are missing.
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What was the difference?

Apart from the obvious that 1 guy was resisting arrest telling the police he was claustrophobic so couldn't get into a police car, yet when they apprehended him he was sat in a car?
 
The Running Man said:
Wow I must have missed this response!

Nothing was proven.

Out of the 4 cops present at the arrest of George, 1 was black and 1 was Asian. So are we saying they were both racist too?

Watch this. The subject is a white guy, the police did exactly the same thing. The only people who see the death of Floyd George as racist have an agenda and not a shred of thirst for the truth.

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You're just thirsty for anything that confirms your own biases.
 
Janesy B said:
You're just thirsty for anything that confirms your own biases.
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I have no bias. You're trying to persuade me that Floyd was killed because of racism.

I have just shown you a near copy cat example where the person killed was white.

Therefore saying that the force used against floyd proves racism is incorrect.

It is also a fact that 2 of the arresting officers of floyd were diverse. Infact one of the policeman kneeling on him was black. So I ask you, was he also racist IF you are telling me it was a racist killing?
 
stockhausen said:
Are you for real?

The video is not entirely clear but so far as I can tell, no Police Officer knelt on the arrested person's neck?

As someone has pointed out, you are just desperate for anything at all that confirms your own prejudice.
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He knelt on his back with his full weight. I.e both knees, pushing the guys face into the grass, despite the man pleading for his life. Putting his full 180lb to 200lb of weight onto the man's chest which stops him from breathing which kills him before the ambulance arrives.

Infact the victim was the person who called the police and was already cuffed when the police got there wasnt wasn't even resisting unlike floyd.

Id go as far to say the Tony Timpa death is worse than the Floyd death if you watch the video.

Whats he saying?

Please help me im going to die?

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Also it was the officers own bodycam, there weren't any onlookers from what i could tell.

The George Floyd videos were filmed by a bystander who was literally telling them that they were killing him
 
VincentHanna said:
Also it was the officers own bodycam, there weren't any onlookers from what i could tell.

The George Floyd videos were filmed by a bystander who was literally telling them that they were killing him
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In this video the police are laughing and joking. Making it even more cruel and sadistic.

My point is you can't view those videos side by side snd say that racism was the route cause if one death but not the other when there are so many parallels.

You could say there is a culture of police intolerance/brutality or lack of training/compassion.

But how one could claim one is purely a racial thing when there are so many parallels is simply being obtuse.
 
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explicit4u said:
You mean the BLM protests?
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Riots. Flag burning, violence, attacking police? Yep, they were riots.

Yes, hundreds..

More than 35 were injured over one weekend so if you believe that 27 total then you're just kidding yourself.

Also BBC reported "the officer *knocked herself* off her horse, it bolted into the crowd...'

They've received complaints since so they've probably edited it.
 
The Running Man said:
Watch this. The subject is a white guy, the police did exactly the same thing. The only people who see the death of Floyd George as racist have an agenda and not a shred of thirst for the truth.
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The media invert reality with their skewed reporting. It's not surprising the average member of the public is so horribly misinformed about crime/racism etc.

I don’t know if they’re creating counter narratives to try and maintain social stability, or deliberately trying to incite minorities.
 
Skunkworks said:
The media invert reality with their skewed reporting. It's not surprising the average member of the public is so horribly misinformed about crime/racism etc.

I don’t know if they’re creating counter narratives to try and maintain social stability, or deliberately trying to incite minorities.
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Tell me honestly, when you see that video do you see parallels with the George Floyd video?
 
And infact we can draw some other conclusions.

In the George Floyd video 50% of the responding officers are ethnically diverse.

In the other video at least 25% of the responding officers are ethnically diverse.

This suggestions an over representation of ethnic diversity, indicating that both forces are not racist in terms of their recruitment or unit deployment.


They also show that race isn't a factor in terms of police response or use of force. As ultimately the results are the same, death by asphyxiation by multiple police officers of a single offender (victim).

Therefore to suggest with no proof that the death of Geirge Floyd was due to racism, is racism itself.

Just because the officer you can see kneeling on him is white you are prejudicing that he is racist, through no other reason that he is white and the offender (victim) is black.

That is frankly poor form.
 
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