DELL 2407 Arrives at OcUK!!

Humate · 26 May 2006 at 20:31

i am certainly calm, but i had expected the loyals to force an offensive

You cannot deny that a personal touch and a bit of communication go a hell of a long way, especially in times of adversity.

andyr · 26 May 2006 at 20:45

i am going to look at a 37" lcd tv this weekend instead , as there is a world cup about to start

Magic Man · 26 May 2006 at 21:08

I've never known any other online supplier to fluctuate prices as much as OCUK... are the prices linked to barrels of oil or something?

ray · 26 May 2006 at 21:41

Here's some news about a patch to fix the banding problem on the 2007 on the way:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2554

Don't know if this applies to the 2407 though?

SimonTW · 26 May 2006 at 21:50

I saw OcUK have taken down the info about the 2005, so hopefully they shall be making the 2007WFP pre-orderable soon.

Baddass · 26 May 2006 at 23:12

ray said:
Here's some news about a patch to fix the banding problem on the 2007 on the way:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2554

Don't know if this applies to the 2407 though?

there are reports that Dell have acknowledged the issues with the 2407WPF in the Japanese / Australasia market and have introduced a new firmware and panel (the LTM240ML2 is listed now in the factory menu). They have also now started to ship the A01 version of the screen, replacing the A00 build. More info on it all here http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/dell_2xx7wfp.htm

SimonTW · 27 May 2006 at 10:45

It's good that these problems are all being sorted before we get any of the monitors. Although it delays things a little bit, at least people won't have to send theirs back when they get them (I hope).

Humate · 27 May 2006 at 12:13

SimonTW said:
It's good that these problems are all being sorted before we get any of the monitors. Although it delays things a little bit, at least people won't have to send theirs back when they get them (I hope).

Agreed on that. Would still be nice (ie polite) to recieve a long overdue explanation from OcUK though who remain strangely quiet.

Truszy · 27 May 2006 at 12:47

ah nice to see the price has been jacked up before it's even available

igors · 27 May 2006 at 13:42

Baddass said:
They have also now started to ship the A01 version of the screen, replacing the A00 build. More info on it all here http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/dell_2xx7wfp.htm

Baddass, you are such knowledge harvester ... it's shocking

Instead of cruising around many forums, users can really learn everything from your article.

This is interesting:

Dell has a firmware update that adjusts the ACC (Adaptive Color and Contrast) & ACM (Active Color Management) features, eliminating the banding issue when using the Desktop mode. All of these monitors have three display modes: Desktop, Multimedia and Gaming. The firmware turns off Faroudja video processing in Desktop mode. It remains enabled in the other two modes.

It's no news that video/picture processing engine, integrated in the panel control circuit can produce banding when using dynamic monitor modes. This is also the reason why any critical colour work is not usable in such modes. I remember that Faroudja is quite "old" video processing engine and not sure if there are any improvements or new revisions in place. Is that also included in 2405 ?

Anyhow, it's quite starnge why they simply didn't offered the option so that users can switch off this engine at first place ?! Something like flicking back the monitor to "native" mode. I guess that not all users will find the dynamic modes amusing, so that this have to be the integrated feature. Monitor have to have the native and unaltered picture mode, so that it's the users choice what they will use. Does it mean that this can be disabled *only* in desktop mode and not globally ? Because if yes, that is not the solution to the problem.

Humate · 27 May 2006 at 14:27

i want a monitor that can do 1080i

Baddass · 27 May 2006 at 14:32

igors said:
Baddass, you are such knowledge harvester ... it's shocking Instead of cruising around many forums, users can really learn everything from your article.

well i hope people find it usefel as there is a LOT of information on these monitors but like you say, it is very much scattered all over the net. Hopefully this helps put it all in one place and cover off a lot of the questions people are asking

I remember that Faroudja is quite "old" video processing engine and not sure if there are any improvements or new revisions in place. Is that also included in 2405 ?

Afaik it was developed in 1996, so yes, it is a little old i suppose. It's listed in the technical documentation for the monitor controller of the 2407 (reportedly the FLI5962H controller from GNSS), but not for the 2405 (reportedly the gm1601 controller from GNSS). I'm not sure it is is used on the 2405 and i would imagine it is not, otherwise we would more than likely have seen these same reported problems when the 2405 was released.

Does it mean that this can be disabled *only* in desktop mode and not globally ? Because if yes, that is not the solution to the problem.

it's only disabled in desktop mode unfortunately, and users have still reported problems with banding when using the other preset modes. This is even on the updated V1B15 firmware and A01 revision of the screen.

Yaka · 27 May 2006 at 14:48

1080i monitor? heh might as well buy a 1080 lcd tv sharp has one coming up and spend few £ks more on somat that has a sliglty lower res

igors · 27 May 2006 at 14:58

Baddass said:
it's only disabled in desktop mode unfortunately, and users have still reported problems with banding when using the other preset modes. This is even on the updated V1B15 firmware and A01 revision of the screen.

Ahhh ... I see. So desktop mode is probably then the "native" mode without the additional influence of the picture processing engine itself. So, I guess that people have to stick to the desktop mode unless they want to experiment with monitor profiles. In essence they can use them I guess, but when the screen content is noisy enough, no colour critical work is required and when colour gradients are not present to some extent.

I'm not sure what are the benefits of other modes and the picture processing engine itself (when we consider the picture quality), but what it may happened is that Dell simply tried to force the engine globally "on" so that picture, from the perceptive point of view, does look maybe better in the "stock" set-up of the monitor, purely as an marketing strategy. Just a wild guess.

igors · 27 May 2006 at 15:20

Humate said:
i want a monitor that can do 1080i

Unfortunatelly, 1920x1080 is reserved for the 24" sector (or larger panels). TV panels are really rare with the "true" support for the 1080i (not downscaling).

Marmotta · 27 May 2006 at 15:38

Humate said:
i want a monitor that can do 1080i

Sod that - I want my new monitor to do 1080p. The 2407FPW doesn't seem improved enough to warrant purchasing it over a 2405FPW or some of the upcoming monitors. Let's hope the guys at BenQ can satisfy me

igors · 27 May 2006 at 15:52

Marmotta said:
Sod that - I want my new monitor to do 1080p

I have the Sony HD 1080i camcorder. Recently, I streamed the HD 1080i source files (retrieved from the camera) and via KISS DP-600 on my HD 720p TV (downscaled). Picture quality was simply stunning and I was lost off words for many days :eek:

Simply not sure how it can be better than this (at least perceptive). I even tried to play the same 1440x1080 HD files on my NEC 20WGX2. I was equally shocked what this monitor is capable of.

Humate · 28 May 2006 at 09:37

are there any other monitors scheduled that can do ALL this HD No swearing!... i dont see the point in spending £760 on a monitor if i could wait a couple of months and get it all

arcadeperfect · 29 May 2006 at 12:59

samsung 244T

there's always this
slightly pricier, but it least it works!

SimonTW · 29 May 2006 at 13:10

Can't link competitors mate, you'd better get rid of that link sharpish!

(I'm guessing thats a competitor?)