Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

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SexyGreyFox said:
It changed mine and my wifes perspective last night so I linked it on Facebook and loads have changed their view.
This footage should have been released immediately.
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The thing is, in the original thread, without needing to look at the footage (which wasn't available), there was still reporting available detailing aspects of it - namely via the lawyers of one of the officers IIRC (sadly that thread was disappeared rather than simply being locked because some people get overly emotive at others having different opinions so we can't look back at it).

But that he was saying "I can't breathe" and dropped to the floor when they first tried to put him in the cop car was described/known before the full footage was leaked by the Daily Mail and IIRC I pointed it out.

It seems having the actual footage is a heck of a lot more powerful for changing people's minds on this. Not too surprising they only wanted select clips released to the media.
 
The only thing I can see that the prosecution can focus on is not immediately turning him over when he became unresponsive. I imagine the defence will try and establish that would have made no difference to the outcome due to the Fentanyl.

I can’t find any information on overdose timescales, but if an expert witness testifies that an oral dose of that size would produce the reactions and timescales we see in the video, then that’s another plus for the defence.
 
dowie said:
The Twitter account bad legal takes was mocking someone the other day for posting this out but it seems there is some risk here. Will they now need to re-question the already selected jurors, will they push for a new trial location (the settlement will have been bigger news locally), will it be something they leverage in a future appeal if Chauvin is found guilty?
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Right on cue:

 
Like in the UK, many will quit because they won't want the worry of a trial by media for doing their job.

Even if found innocent (looking likely now) his career is ruined and he will likely have to go in to hiding. Otherwise there will be a violent mob of BLM fanatics at his home.
 
Its clear he was overdosing, the cop's action certainly had an effect but they didn't kill him.
Its 100% going to be a guilty verdict though, god knows what would happen if its not, the riots wouldn't stop.
 
If Chauvin goes under the bus I can see a lot of cops, especially white cops, quitting. I can also see any area with a significant black population having trouble recruiting white people. The job is risky enough without the political aspect.
 
Skunkworks said:
If Chauvin goes under the bus I can see a lot of cops, especially white cops, quitting. I can also see any area with a significant black population having trouble recruiting white people. The job is risky enough without the political aspect.
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Given that BLM is a segregationist racist ideology and one that wants to replace the police with its own militia, that might well be the intended goal. The age old question of "who benefits?" applies as it so often does.
 
Nasher said:
They can't just find him guilty if there is no evidence.
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They can. Trials aren't completely immune from political influences, although they're supposed to be. It wouldn't be legal, but it could be done.

There's also the fact that if the court doesn't obediently declare him guilty then violent racists and other authoritarians using racism as a tool to gain power will riot across the country, an unknowable number of people will be killed and a vast amount of damage will be done. All the jurors lives would be at risk as they would be obvious targets for politically motivated murder. It will be difficult to ignore all that.
 
If they did that it sends a signal to all of the dodgy regeimes that it is actually ok to have kangaroo courts and political show trials.
 
Possibly being niave here, but one assumes that if someone in the US was found guilty in a plain miscarriage of justice that appeal courts would correct this. If jurors acted in self interest, not wanting to be murdered for voting the wrong way, one naively assumes that will be adquate reason.
 
Nasher said:
If they did that it sends a signal to all of the dodgy regeimes that it is actually ok to have kangaroo courts and political show trials.
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They already think that it's OK, so it wouldn't make any difference in that respect.

PlacidCasual said:
Possibly being niave here, but one assumes that if someone in the US was found guilty in a plain miscarriage of justice that appeal courts would correct this. If jurors acted in self interest, not wanting to be murdered for voting the wrong way, one naively assumes that will be adquate reason.
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I'd hope so, but I wouldn't say it was definite. Hordes of people willing to riot and murder have an effect on how a country is run.
 
The other side of the same coin (the white supremacists) may see it as confirmation of their own conspiracy theories and carry out attacks.
 
PlacidCasual said:
Possibly being niave here, but one assumes that if someone in the US was found guilty in a plain miscarriage of justice that appeal courts would correct this. If jurors acted in self interest, not wanting to be murdered for voting the wrong way, one naively assumes that will be adquate reason.
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I don't know the ins & outs of it, but a judge can direct the jury to return a speciifc verdict. It was mentioned in some of the jury selection videos.
 
Nasher said:
The other side of the same coin (the white supremacists) may see it as confirmation of their own conspiracy theories and carry out attacks.
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That's also true, but they have less power so the effect would be less. At the moment, anyway. Since both sides of the same coin are seeking the same division and conflict (presumably they both think they can win), who knows what the end result will be.
 
Angilion said:
That's also true, but they have less power so the effect would be less. At the moment, anyway. Since both sides of the same coin are seeking the same division and conflict (presumably they both think they can win), who knows what the end result will be.
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They have a lot more power. Those groups have contacts in the police and other public offices. Probably a lot more of them than BLM and they many are well armed.
 
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