Derren Brown: Apocolypse

[smokedog]

Hundreds of people must know Steven and his family and if they were actors would be able to "out" them to the press.

What if in your NDA, if you disclosed the plot you would forfeit your payment and pay any damages this may lead too... bet you would thick twice before opening your mouth.

Also they must be wearing mics too, because the sound was rather good even when they were outside or was it just a cameraman with a boom mic.

 

[Martini1991]

So, you couldn't smash someone's head in with a telephone? Or use the medical equipment to defend yourself? (The stand thing) it'd keep someone at bay that's for sure.

The chairs could be used to defend yourself too.

I mean hell, people get killed with all kinds of things, anything can be turned into a weapon.

Secondly, not racist, I didn't know her name, I believe it was Leona or something.

Thirdly, that's a fallible defence, but plausible, however given when he tells Leona "Everything's set" and he himself responds with an action, he's got an ear piece.

Steven doesn't have to be an professional actor, he can be a regular joe acting.

 

[zenf]

I don't understand people saying there was no way he could arm himself.
There was plenty of things he could have used to bash someone's brains in.

Such as? Was it necessary for him to arm himself? Is he the type of person who would arm himself, or run away? Would Derren have picked someone who would've been intent on a zombie murder spree?

I noticed that when Derren said to the coloured girl along the lines of "Everythings set"
He straight away responds with an action himself.

"An action"? What, he moved? He did that quite a lot, regardless of whether Derren was saying things to Leona.

On the bus, he also itches near ear, I assume he's got a hidden ear piece like the girl.

Yeah, my colleague just itched his ear, pretty sure he's got a hidden ear piece too.

Also, I don't understand the "100's of people in on the act" defence for it being real, given 100's of people are in on the act, as actors (The "Zombies", people on the bus, his parents knew about it etc and they're keeping quiet.)
So I don't get that point at all.

See this excellent post by Zbornak.

 

[Craig R]

So, you couldn't smash someone's head in with a telephone? Or use the medical equipment to defend yourself? (The stand thing) it'd keep someone at bay that's for sure.

The chairs could be used to defend yourself too.

I mean hell, people get killed with all kinds of things, anything can be turned into a weapon.

Secondly, not racist, I didn't know her name, I believe it was Leona or something.

Thirdly, that's a fallible defence, but plausible, however given when he tells Leona "Everything's set" and he himself responds with an action, he's got an ear piece.

Steven doesn't have to be an professional actor, he can be a regular joe acting.

"coloured girl" is not very PC.

I wouldn't smash anyone's head in at all if I had the option to run instead. These were fellow human beings who had a disease.

Brown deliberately went through a process of eliminating people who he thought might go on a murderous rampage instead of legging it.

If Steven was a regular Joe who was acting he did a remarkably better job than all of the others on the show who actually were actors.

 

[RoboCod]

See this excellent post by Zbornak.

debatable.

 

[Craig R]

What if in your NDA, if you disclosed the plot you would forfeit your payment and pay any damages this may lead too... bet you would thick twice before opening your mouth.

Also they must be wearing mics too, because the sound was rather good even when they were outside or was it just a cameraman with a boom mic.

If you believe a contract could be signed to that affect then surely you can also accept that it is possible that the applicants for the show signed a contract stating that they couldn't sue Brown for damages if appearing on the show led to them having a complete breakdown?

Easy enough to put hidden mics around the room and embroidered inside clothing.

 

[Martini1991]

The action was going for the hand gel, they did it together, straight after derren had spoken.

Obviously it's going to be people arguing one way or another, trying to make someone change their opinion, of which I have no reason to divulge.

You think it's real, I think it's faked,

For the PC , I'm brown, it's allowed

If the program had been live when the apocalypse starts, I'd possibly give into the possibility of it being real.
But we're only getting about an hour and a half of footage here.

 

[RoboCod]

For the PC , I'm brown, it's allowed

I like this

 

[smokedog]

Obviously it's going to be people arguing one way or another, trying to make someone change their opinion, of which I have no reason to divulge.

You think it's real, I think it's faked,

Indeed, going round in circles, like proving the existence of God.

 

[Nexus18]

I concur, the number of people claiming the show to be completely true with no evidence other than that the creator telling them so is astounding.

This.

So many gullible people here, it is unbelievable

 

[zenf]

For the PC , I'm brown, it's allowed

No you're not, you're coloured.

I'm not sure why people are comparing this to belief in God. If people actually applied their critical thinking skills, they'd see that this whole thing being fake and Steven being an actor is about as likely as a God existing. Seems like people would rather just shout "FAAAAKE!!!11" and stick their heads in the sand without really thinking that ludicrous position through.

And just FYI, people who say the moon landings are fake call others gullible for not believing their ridiculous conspiracy theory too. I'm just waiting for someone to say "open your mind/eyes" without trying to be ironic.

 

[Martini1991]

One thing that gets me, when your services go down, what do you do?
Ask your friends.

Yes, they've thrown the meteor shower as reasoning for faults, would that stop you talking to your friends about stuff not working?

So either, they say their stuff isn't working (Ergo, in on the act), or Derren's messed with their stuff too against their will (So they can answer honestly) or they say their stuff is fine.

 

[Craig R]

One thing that gets me, when your services go down, what do you do?
Ask your friends.

Yes, they've thrown the meteor shower as reasoning for faults, would that stop you talking to your friends about stuff not working?

So either, they say their stuff isn't working (Ergo, in on the act), or Derren's messed with their stuff too against their will (So they can answer honestly) or they say their stuff is fine.

Who says he didn't mention it to his friends?

 

[BunnyKillBot]

I concur, the number of people claiming the show to be completely true with no evidence other than that the creator telling them so is astounding.

This.

So many gullible people here, it is unbelievable

Would you care to lists the posts making that claim? Go on, I am waiting.

I don't see where I'm getting riled up, to me it comes across that the Derren fans are getting wound up that the show is being questioned and Derren is being accused of being a bit of a fraud. Either that or they appear to be riled that they perhaps look a bit silly to everyone else that they believe it to be true that a guy can be made to drop to the floor asleep over the phone. Questioning the feasibility of such an act isn't being riled, it's being critical of something that doesn't seem at all logical. Judging by your signature thoguh I think I might be right to assume that you don't question logic and that you just have faith, because the man told you so, right?

Yes. Gosh you are so smart. Every morning I wake up, and i wish i could be a little bit more like you. You are a blessing to this planet and human society.

 

[v0n]

From production point of view, it's quite evident the thing was shot with full awareness from the cast. Although there were cameras on the walls everywhere (like that doesn't rise questions, especially in vicinity of your own home), almost every minute in the footage there was at least one shot from shaky hand supported cam. Shots inside compound wobbly panning from behind shelving units, shots following characters erratically from the roof tops, few shots at the helicopter landing site that could only be made by camera man on the ground level in full view of the cast. The camera work was a dead give away.

That is if you are willing to believe the "one move finger slide across face" hypnosis technique in the first place.

 

[DcD]

From production point of view, it's quite evident the thing was shot with full awareness from the cast. Although there were cameras on the walls everywhere (like that doesn't rise questions, especially in vicinity of your own home), almost every minute in the footage there was at least one shot from shaky hand supported cam. Shots inside compound wobbly panning from behind shelving units, shots following characters erratically from the roof tops, few shots at the helicopter landing site that could only be made by camera man on the ground level in full view of the cast. The camera work was a dead give away.

That is if you are willing to believe the "one move finger slide across face" hypnosis technique in the first place.

Said this myself several pages ago. This was also shot on broadcast cameras, it's quite obvious that the camera man with big cameras on their shoulders were stood infront of the cast. The bit where he wakes up in the hospital bed was "secretly" filmed from behind a blank wall - er, no, it was filmed by the camera operator stood in the corner of the room.

 

[RoboCod]

Said this myself several pages ago. This was also shot on broadcast cameras, it's quite obvious that the camera man with big cameras on their shoulders were stood infront of the cast. The bit where he wakes up in the hospital bed was "secretly" filmed from behind a blank wall - er, no, it was filmed by the camera operator stood in the corner of the room.

From production point of view, it's quite evident the thing was shot with full awareness from the cast. Although there were cameras on the walls everywhere (like that doesn't rise questions, especially in vicinity of your own home), almost every minute in the footage there was at least one shot from shaky hand supported cam. Shots inside compound wobbly panning from behind shelving units, shots following characters erratically from the roof tops, few shots at the helicopter landing site that could only be made by camera man on the ground level in full view of the cast. The camera work was a dead give away.

That is if you are willing to believe the "one move finger slide across face" hypnosis technique in the first place.

You tin foil hat wearing nut jobs you!!

 

[zenf]

Editing, hidden cameras, one way mirrors etc. Given the location, probably quite a few exposed security cameras too. Not to mention the fact it would also mean hundreds of people keeping it secret.

Derren Brown says it's real, Channel 4 say it's real, no one involved is saying it's fake and there's nothing about it that's particularly inexplicable (unless you're ignorant about hypnotism), the only people saying it's not real are internet conspiracists. Saying the burden of proof is on those saying it's real is like saying the burden of proof is on NASA to prove they didn't fake the moon landings.

 

[Zbornak]

From production point of view, it's quite evident the thing was shot with full awareness from the cast. Although there were cameras on the walls everywhere (like that doesn't rise questions, especially in vicinity of your own home), almost every minute in the footage there was at least one shot from shaky hand supported cam. Shots inside compound wobbly panning from behind shelving units, shots following characters erratically from the roof tops, few shots at the helicopter landing site that could only be made by camera man on the ground level in full view of the cast. The camera work was a dead give away.

That is if you are willing to believe the "one move finger slide across face" hypnosis technique in the first place.

Said this myself several pages ago. This was also shot on broadcast cameras, it's quite obvious that the camera man with big cameras on their shoulders were stood infront of the cast. The bit where he wakes up in the hospital bed was "secretly" filmed from behind a blank wall - er, no, it was filmed by the camera operator stood in the corner of the room.

You tin foil hat wearing nut jobs you!!

Less-so tin foil wearers. More like, unaware of TV production.

You can quite easily get small broadcast quality cameras into little nooks and crannies. That's how you can get shows The Real Hustle, Trigger Happy TV, Top Gear, Big Brother, Fifth Gear, The Gadget Show, Real Rescues, One Born Every Minute, Scare Tactics, 24 Hours in A&E, Punk'd, Traffic Cops, Candid Camera, Formula One, Moto GP and various other shows where cameras need to be good quality and small, and of course sometimes hidden. Not to mention that there were plenty of two-way mirrors in the first episode where you could put bigger cameras operated by an actual person.

As for when he was running towards the helicopter, the camera was most likely hidden in the tree line under a camouflaged camera tent used for wildlife photography.

Any shots where you can't see his face but the camera-work is decent were probably done by an actor in the same costume in what's called "pick-ups" where by you get extra shots to fill-out the edit. I especially noticed this in the first episode where he was wondering through the second building with the girl and they entered a room to their left.

 

[Bubo]

Got round to watching this. It was without doubt the biggest pile of rubbish Truman Show bull**** I have ever seen. Derren Brown even had Ed Harris's flat cap on for flips sake.