Derren Brown: Apocolypse
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If you want to go on about dodgy camera techniques, I was questioning how they filmed him from the window above the yard as he was looking for the black girl during extraction
The camera man clearly walks about in the window / doorway yet Steven doesn't notice this?
If I was on alert and looking for someone, a camera man or someone in a doorway would be instantly detectable.
The camera man clearly walks about in the window / doorway yet Steven doesn't notice this?
If I was on alert and looking for someone, a camera man or someone in a doorway would be instantly detectable.
Part of the trick I guess was not really explaining what the infected could do to you (eat you, etc) as if they did it would have made it even more ridiculous (she's too scared to get in the chopper by runnin through the infected, but then is happy to walk to Wales where anything could happen on the way).
Hypnosis do not work with a single touch. That's just a myth to speed up progress of the plot in Hollywood, and apparently, Channel 4. Shortcuts Derren Brown took for time saving were so massive they even put "look into my eyes, the eyes, not around the eyes, but into my eyes" sketch into shame.
It's just an illusion. I work in broadcast production and Apocalypse was nicely shot but for mocumentary it was relatively sloppy work. They've gone through basic checks to ensure there were no cameras directly looking at each other or camera men in shot (although there are few shots in part two where we actually might be seeing shadows and jackets of someone who shouldn't be there). But otherwise they left errors everywhere. There were continuity errors between takes, wardrobe malfunctions, props moving between shots, cameras switching to first person/direct witness view, noctovisor/night vision mode featured strong directional light shadows casted in allegedly pitch black rooms, hand held cameras panning from behind shelving units everywhere, cameras at shoulder hight tracking on a dolly along narrow hospital corridors (if it's windows or mirrors - you've got a guy who allegedly doesn't notice cameras around his house, doesn't look in mirrors and doesn't find it odd that there are mirrors or black windows in every room he enters? wtf?), risk-the-entire-setup hand held closeups of characters feet and knees from inches away filmed from bushes, and so on so forth.
It's a nice premise, but no, it's not real.
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watched this last night...
What a load of tripe!
I didn't believe Steve at all. In my eyes, an actor who did a very **** job tbh.
Derren brown walks upto him on the bus and within 1sec he's asleep?? come on..
Questionable camera angles
Steve's voice can clearly be heard outside.. must have had a Mic on him.. and when he got changed from patient to his camouflage gear he would have noticed..
Ability to put him to sleep over the phone.. REALLY??
When he walks out of the building after being chased by the infected.. you'd think he be a bit more on edge.. he just calmly walks out and doesn't even look for them??!
Then has a perfectly straight stick from nowhere.. but didn't think to use it to get to the chopper??
oh and when he just walks into his loving room to see Derren.. he just hugs him and smiles..
if I had woke up thinking it was a dream and then saw this guy standing in my front room... I think I'd have something say
Interesting concept, but totally full of fail.
What a load of tripe!
I didn't believe Steve at all. In my eyes, an actor who did a very **** job tbh.
Derren brown walks upto him on the bus and within 1sec he's asleep?? come on..
Questionable camera angles
Steve's voice can clearly be heard outside.. must have had a Mic on him.. and when he got changed from patient to his camouflage gear he would have noticed..
Ability to put him to sleep over the phone.. REALLY??
When he walks out of the building after being chased by the infected.. you'd think he be a bit more on edge.. he just calmly walks out and doesn't even look for them??!
Then has a perfectly straight stick from nowhere.. but didn't think to use it to get to the chopper??
oh and when he just walks into his loving room to see Derren.. he just hugs him and smiles..
if I had woke up thinking it was a dream and then saw this guy standing in my front room... I think I'd have something say
Interesting concept, but totally full of fail.
Having seen Derren do it to quite a few people at his live shows (I've been to a couple), I can assure you that it's not a myth. And if you've seen the selection process he uses to randomly choose people from the crowd, you'll know that there's no way they're all stooges.
Honestly, of all the crazy stuff he gets highly suggestible people to do (getting a guy to stick a needle through his hand in Svengali springs to mind), I find it quite funny people are so hung up on someone getting hypnotised quickly. Did you expect him to be wearing a turban swinging a pocket watch left to right saying "look deep into my eyes"? This isn't hollywood chaps.
You do realise that would entail hundreds of thousands of people keeping an incredibly elaborate secret? Think about it.
Of course, the moon landing conspiracists don't really think their position through, they just pick out little things they don't understand like the fact the flag in the picture has ripples in it and scream "FAAKE!!1", much like some people in this thread.
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So by that deduction, you're an expert on hypnosis and people like v0n know nothing about broadcast production yes?
By no means an expert on hypnosis but I know more than a lot of people here about it, having actually researched it myself instead of just going "lol faaake!!1". And I never said v0n knows nothing about broadcast production but nothing he said comes anywhere close to proving that it's all fake and a big conspiracy. Rather, he's honed in on a couple of details and based his decision that it's all a conspiracy on those dubious reasons obviously without considering the wider implications of it all being staged, much like people who believe the moon landings were faked.
No, Hollywood would have been more convincing
That says it all tbh.
Surely the proof is in the detail, unless we just want to go back to Derren said it's real so it must be?
It just says you don't understand sarcasm.
Do you really need to make two posts to respond to my one?
Once again, take a look at Zbornak's explanation of the wider implications of it being a big conspiracy. Explain that away and maybe I'll consider a shakey cam (an effect which can easily be added in editing) as proof that it's a fake, staged conspiracy.
Once again, take a look at Zbornak's explanation of the wider implications of it being a big conspiracy. Explain that away and maybe I'll consider a shakey cam (an effect which can easily be added in editing) as proof that it's a fake, staged conspiracy.
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What's it to you?
Why does it have to be "staged conspiracy"? It's a scripted TV show. You don't look at Top Gear and scream "conspiracy", we all except it as being scripted and staged for our fun and entertainment. It's not like the crew members and actors have some sort of huge secret to burst out into the public view, they sit quiet because their contract says so and enjoy our discussions about it being real or fake because that was the whole point of it - illusionist trick on TV that generates a lot of noise around it.
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On the other hand, you have screenshots from Steve's Facebook account and actors profile all over the internet (before profile was locked). There are also odd scheduling clashes, where Steve's facebook pics put him at one of the music festivals at the time when dates printed on the screen during show suggest he should be already watched at home prior to "apocalypse".
What you described above is not odd in any way. Happens all the time. Cast, crew and producers don't always leak TV series plots, set ups or filming locations. You sign the agreement, your job and future employment depends on these things. In fact, in entertainment industry, when someone does leak something, it's more often part of PR machine than drunken blabbing in a pub or letting your friends in on a secret.
You don't have to go through union if he wasn't signed actor. But in the same line of thinking - do you think any company, studio or channel would insure, produce or sign off on a TV show where lead character is unaware of the setup and at any moment within split of a second could panic surrounded by "zombies", and with one swift jump into the ambulance or single swing of a piece of wood or a pipe create newspaper headlines before anyone from production crew could reach the location from the monitoring room?
They kind of did, the people not involved in production. Wasn't it how the twitter, Facebook pics surfaced?
Why not? His contract will probably be up in a year and by that time no one will care? There were professional, published musicians stooged into talent shows and singing competitions before, in the end, nobody cares. You do the show, your contract ends, you go back to your daily job.
What would be easier - trick the extras into thinking the main character is unaware of the setup or trick random dude into thinking England was taken over by zombies?
You are overthinking this. It happens all the time, in almost every rouge traders episode at the lowest of budgets - random filming location, random set of people for one day shoot. In fact there are a lot of pointers of it being one day shoot. In the house footage in first episode Steven wears the same clothes and holds the same pint in what was meant to be secret filming weeks apart.
Not disclosure agreement. It's not any different to hundreds of people involved in production not revealing the end of "Lost", or the plot of Star Wars movies. And the stakes are much higher on those occasions.
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This was one of the dead giveaways for me, when he came out that side door, knowing that the "zombies" were inside the compound, he just goes out looking in one direction and does not check behind him or anywhere else. Any normal person thinking they might be in jepardy would only open the door a crack, then very carefully check in all directions before going out. Not standing a few feet form the door whilst they dither about what to do.
Also, another dead giveway was how he remained pretty self concious almost all the way through, but *particularly* when he was asked to tell Derren Brown his name in the helicopter radio bit. He was asked to tell DB his name and he became all self concious, as someone would when speaking to a known celebrity, and knowing they were being filmed, and knowing they definately would be centre of attention at that particular moment. If it was a real situation there wojuld be no reason to be self concious at all at any point, even if you were inherently introverted.
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The scene I was on about is around 33 minutes in.
Try it on 4OD you'll see what I mean.
When Derren speaks to Leona, and then they both react.
Try it on 4OD you'll see what I mean.
When Derren speaks to Leona, and then they both react.
Have Top Gear ever claimed that the stunts they pull aren't staged or scripted? Have the BBC ever claimed the stunts they pull aren't staged or scripted?
Not too sure what you're getting at here to be honest... The actor's profile has already been explained, he's never acted before. If he had, surely it wouldn't be that hard for the internet to find evidence? It seems there's already been a hunt of the sort, but no smoking gun has been found. I don't remember the show saying when exactly Steven was in the "Apocalypse".
Keeping a fictional plot secret so as to not ruin the story is a bit different to a broadcaster saying something is real when it's actually fake.
There were very few occasions where he was actually able to physically touch one of the "zombies", and the weapons you describe weren't available to him. Not that he had any reason to use them.
I haven't seen these pictures but I doubt they prove anything. Please could you link?
On the contrary, people do care. I'd bet Derren Brown is a bit bigger and higher profile than those talent shows or singing competitions, and Channel 4's reputation would be tarnished and they'd probably receive a hefty fine from Ofcom.
But if Steven was an actor, does that mean he's tricked his family into believing that he's not? Or are they in on it too? Or are they all actors?
I'd say you're underthinking it. If his family are actors too, there would likely be hundreds of people that would recognise them, as well as Steven. Why hasn't anyone shown something from earlier in their acting careers? That would certainly make me question whether this is all fake but I doubt anything of the sort exists.
Again, keeping a fictional plot secret so as to not ruin the story is a bit different to a broadcaster saying something is real when it's actually fake.