Man of Honour
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Description of Afterlife?
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Man of Honour
Man of Honour
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I personally believe that the moment you die you are reborn into another body. With no memory or recollection of your life previous.
Which is effectively like believing that when you die then there is nothing. So why add the extra complication for no reason at all?
Also, where do new people come from? We can't all be reincarnated souls after all.
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Surely Alan knows what the Bible says about creation and how we were vegetarian at first?
Can't hear the audio at the minute, could the OP list a few well known thoughts/facts of the Judgement/afterlife from a Muslims point of view?
One thing which may surprise some that I heard yesterday, is that Muslims acknowledge the Bible as the word of God aswell as the Koran. Do you know this to be true OP?
I'm sure I have heard this too, that Muslims also beloved in the Christian God, can someone clarify this for us please?
Also I do believe in life after death but not in any of the religious explanations, I believe what happens is so far from our understanding of life and the universe that it is beyond our understanding.
The universe is big and if the multiverse theory has any merit then it can be infinitely big, when this body dies our conscious energy could transfer to a differant place in the universe or in a different time, maybe even a different dimension.
Or we might just die and because then the "machine" of our bodies cannot hold our consciousness anymore it just dissapates, probably in a couple of hundred/thousand years the humans of the time may have ways to copy the consciousness or sustain the human body so we live forever, they may look on us the same way we look on cave men, they will find it hard to believe humans just let our consciousness go.
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Sorry? How is it the same as believing in nothing after death?
I believe in reincarnation, the same soul reincarnated to another body.
In all honesty I cannot explain where and why new souls are created, just what I choose to believe as i guess it makes me feel slightly more comfortable about death.
Im sorry if this offends you, sir.
The Jewish God, The Christian God and the Islamic God are all the same God. Commonly referred to in academia as The Abrahamic God.
Because the end result to you as a person is exactly the same. What makes you, you is gone utterly and a new person is there instead. A blank slate to start all over again.
So it's a defence mechanism? What actual difference does it make though? You still die and you never exist again. Exactly the same as the standard atheist "There is nothing after death" point of view.
Why would it offend me?
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Dead is forever, no afterlife, no paradise, just nothing.
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That is not what I said.
I said no recollection of a life previous, however still the same person. Same thoughts, same preferences, same ideas.
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2 outcomes
Die --> Buried --> Eaten by worms --> Have a block of stone with your name on it
Die --> Burnt to a crisp --> Sit in a pot
Either way the only afterlife is through memory.
Die --> Buried --> Eaten by worms --> Have a block of stone with your name on it
Die --> Burnt to a crisp --> Sit in a pot
Either way the only afterlife is through memory.
But surely that is even more ridiculous considering how much impact your environment has on your thoughts, preferences and ideas?
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Sorry, what is this you're trying to achieve? Trying to disprove my beliefs?
I have no need to explain myself to you. Either accept what I believe or don't. Couldn't care less.
Not entirely. While you may not be the same personality or have any recollection of any previous incarnation, you would presumably still experience life and perceive life as we do now simply as another personal consciousness, you will still experience and be alive. A variation on the 'collective unconsciousness' if you will.
You will exist, simply without any recollection of being someone 'before'...not unlike how you are alive today. Atheists, or rather those Atheists who do not ascribe to afterlife/reincarnation/change of state or whatever you want to call it simply believe that there is nothing. It may be subtle, but it is different.
Not that it refers to you, but there do seem to be a few who get all offended or act as such whenever someone mentions they have a different perspective on such things.
No, I am trying to understand why you hold them. It seems that "defence mechanism because I don't want to face up to the reality of death" is the actual reason as you seem to be struggling to rationalise them.
I don't have to disprove your beliefs because there seems to be little in the way of evidence to argue against.
Here is a handy tip, if you post beliefs on a discussion board, expect them to be discussed. Especially in a forum named "General Discussion". If you don't want your personal beliefs to be discussed, don't post them.
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But "you" wouldn't experience life. This new person would experience life. Not that it matters as Sleeve88 has now clarified his "beliefs" to say that neurologically he is the same person which, to my mind at least, makes them even more spurious and unbelievable.
I guess it would depend on the definition of "you". What is described seems to be no version of "you" I could ever identify with. For all intents and purposes, I would be dead.
To be honest, the only person that seems to be getting offended at the moment is Sleeve88, but having seen some of his posts in other threads I don't think he likes having his views challenged at all.
RDM doesn't have to prove or disprove anything, neither do you...you simply have to explain why you hold such a belief and your justifications for doing so. RDM doesn't have to share or be convinced of this justification, neither do you have to convince him.
Not everyone wants to belittle you or anyone, just trying to understand why people hold the views they do.
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No, I just cant stand arrogant little internet knights like yourself who are unwilling to accept that others may have a different viewpoint on things.