*** Destiny Raid & PvP discussion thread ***

[ps3ud0]

Fair dos. I can still continue to find the occasional hard cheese on destinylfg for the rewards, or at least until they patch it

I'd like to really understand the mechanics more in normal before being confident enough to instruct the team.

I've noted your details so don't worry - anyone that's doing what you're doing and going out of your way to sort raids and stuff are worth having in a group

I'd definitely like to have a second group purely as I've got the characters ready for it and hot enough experience on both modes to be useful. I don't think I'm a great FPS player but use my nouce to cover my failings...

ps3ud0

 

[Mr Jones]

Got to doth my cap to high level hunters its really a hard class to master/enjoy when it comes to raiding!

I did Raid on Normal as a Hunter (Gunslinger) and made sure I change my stats to give me more armour (over agility) so I can take a few more hits. Agility can only count for so much in raid (splash damage left, right and centre!) compared to PvP.

It's not too hard, just require the player to make wiser choices as it's not a one size fits all type of character. I was bemused with Bladedancers in the LFG raid group I was in. Needless to say, he was next to useless in every stage bar the first stage.

 

[Evilsod]

Get more experience at normal especially all the roles (really important). It seems with Hard you just cant afford to make a mistake or die. Hell we have the policy that we wipe when one dies - its saves a lot of time and frustration!!!

One problem I've seen is people come off a Normal raid as a 29 into Hard and just don't realise that they are effectively under levelled and just can't cope with not being revivable/taking more damage/doing less damage - noticed a similar thing with my main raid group when they move to their alts after being Sunsingers and not realising how much of a crux Fireborn is...

Got to doth my cap to high level hunters its really a hard class to master/enjoy when it comes to raiding!

ps3ud0

Yeah the under levelled part is really crippling. The normal raid we did (bar Atheon) on Thursday I was with my Titan at level 27 and even that felt bad. I couldn't take the Relic inside because not being able to 1 shot Hobgoblins with the ground slam was a major inconvenience and the Minotaur hits like a truck. I don't even want to imagine what its like in the Hard version.

I really missed not being able to pop Golden Gun the moment I entered and pump 4 shots into mobs too

Also, the Raid Armour situation is getting a bit lame. It is seemingly impossible to reach level 30 because you simply get jack **** as a reward. I haven't had a single piece of Raid armour in 3 full runs and 2 runs to Atheon.

 

[ps3ud0]

Sensible solution then. I'll move my normal raid to 9:00 PM if that works for everyone in my group? ps3ud0 that means I may have to duck out if it gets close to that time with no completion though.

Assuming this becomes a regular thing and we get good at it, all future normal runs from me will be 9:00 PM on a Friday night. Does this work for everyone?

In all honesty I'd rather you not as 2 hours isn't enough time to do the raid on hard - its a fantastic time to do it in (I've seen people try to cheese Atheon for that long alone).

I've put you in a difficult position so completely understand your prior commitment as I'd be the same - I'd rather get a replacement full stop than consider not finishing the hard raid as there's just less people that can do it at a moments notice.

I think when I get this second Hard raid going I'll make sure to save you a space and ensure its definitely not intruding on your set raid day. Sorry...

ps3ud0

 

[UberGinge]

In all honesty I'd rather you not as 2 hours isn't enough time to do the raid on hard - its a fantastic time to do it in (I've seen people try to cheese Atheon for that long alone).

I've put you in a difficult position so completely understand your prior commitment as I'd be the same - I'd rather get a replacement full stop than consider not finishing the hard raid as there's just less people that can do it at a moments notice.

I think when I get this second Hard raid going I'll make sure to save you a space and ensure its definitely not intruding on your set raid day. Sorry...

ps3ud0

Hmm, looks like I'll be screwing over one team or the other then . Also I'm not sure if this matters that much, but Maxi may not be around this Friday anyway, so I don't know how that affects the team!

It kinda sucks but I'd rather help with the Normal mode raid, so that more people get to understand the mechanics behind the raid. It'll help in the long run as more people can be sherpas and possible bring people up to Hard mode standards

 

[Fr0dders]

Also, the Raid Armour situation is getting a bit lame. It is seemingly impossible to reach level 30 because you simply get jack **** as a reward. I haven't had a single piece of Raid armour in 3 full runs and 2 runs to Atheon.

This.

Bungie have got their priorities totally wrong with the raid. other MMOs learnt their lesson with raid drops and that's why they had tokens, enabling you to get the armor that for some bizarre reason just won't drop for you. Some guy on reddit has done the raid 27 times across his 3 characters and has had 3 pieces of raid armor.

They need to find a halfway house between their current implementation, and free complete sets of raid armor for all after 4 attempts. If every atheon kill dropped either either a raid armor token or a raid weapon token, you'd be able to get to level 30 within 5/6 successful clears of the raid assuming you have one exotic and only need 3 pieces.

They need to focus on things like this, and the portal bugs, and how people randomly die, and why the oracles randomly kill you despite them all being shot in time, rather than "fixing" that we learnt how their teleportation rules worked.

I've got a friend on my list who has the complete set - all 4 pieces and did so within his first 4 attempts. Meanwhile, I was in the same raid party as most of those, I've got 2 pairs of titan boots and nothing else. Its just *** that within the same raid party the rewards can vary that much. I've had 3 atheons epilogues, but no scout rifles, no pulse rifles. Meanwhile martin from here who is also usually in our raiding parties has two mythoclasts, while I've done atheon on hard several times and have no hard specific loot. No helmet, no hand cannon, no ship, no mythoclast, nothing. I've seen people get 2 raid helmets on hard twice, and I saw another guy get two exotics (hard light and the mythoclast), two raid helmets, the ship and shards for killing atheon. Its utterly stupid.

 

[oHUTCHYo]

Hi All, Hope you don't mind, but to try and help clarify this week's raids, have condensed into one thread.

Current situation:-

Hutchy - PS4 Raid Normal Friday 8:00PM
1) oHUTCHYo 29 Warlock
2) Col_Jacko 27 Titan
3) Satchey 28 Warlock
4) Xtzile 29 ?
5) Japheth105 27 Hunter
6) Videotrap 28 Titan

UberGinge - PS4 Raid Normal Friday 8:30 PM
1) UberGinge (29 Warlock)
2) McGrayUK (29 Warlock)
3) sieze2 (28 Hunter)
4) SGWills (28 Titan)
5) JWhalley (28 Hunter)
6)

ps3ud0 - PS4 Raid Normal Friday @7PM
1) ps3ud0 - polynomial007 (29 Warlock/28-29 Titan/30 Hunter)
2) Maxilive - Maxi_Live (30 Hunter)
3) Soulja - Soulja85 (29 Warlock)
4) UberGinge - UberGinge (29 Warlock)
5) Zhokel - Zhokel (30 Titan)
6) Drunzer - Drunzer (29 Titan) / CoreyMcK1994 - CoreyMcK20 (29 Titan)
Res) Reeve - Righteous_Rabbit (29 Titan)

Hutchy, I have moved myself over to Uber's run as your run was overbooked and his underbooked, i ran with him last week so makes sense for me to switch.

As it stand's 1 spot free on Uber's, but conflict between Ps3ud0 and Uber's as Uber's too popular and double booked

OK, so let's see if we can fix this pickle. I still don't mind sticking in my original squad, providing we have folks who are experienced themselves to help each other on it, which seems like we have one or two.

I'm easy lads. As long as I get a Raid on Friday night I'm happy either way.

 

[ps3ud0]

Hmm, looks like I'll be screwing over one team or the other then . Also I'm not sure if this matters that much, but Maxi may not be around this Friday anyway, so I don't know how that affects the team!

It kinda sucks but I'd rather help with the Normal mode raid, so that more people get to understand the mechanics behind the raid. It'll help in the long run as more people can be sherpas and possible bring people up to Hard mode standards

My stance is that you'd shouldn't be hand held in the normal mode and learn it all yourself as it will make you worse at Hard mode. I'm sure you aren't doing this - just seems people are eager to get raiding done for the sake of rewards than to enjoy what the raid is especially the first time...

While Bungie keep making updates its more important for people to learn as much as they can while so over levelled.

I've not heard anything from Maxi yet myself - I assumed everyone could make it as no ones PSNed/posted here otherwise!

ps3ud0

 

[UberGinge]

This.

Bungie have got their priorities totally wrong with the raid. other MMOs learnt their lesson with raid drops and that's why they had tokens, enabling you to get the armor that for some bizarre reason just won't drop for you. Some guy on reddit has done the raid 27 times across his 3 characters and has had 3 pieces of raid armor.

They need to find a halfway house between their current implementation, and free complete sets of raid armor for all after 4 attempts. If every atheon kill dropped either either a raid armor token or a raid weapon token, you'd be able to get to level 30 within 5/6 successful clears of the raid assuming you have one exotic and only need 3 pieces.

They need to focus on things like this, and the portal bugs, and how people randomly die, and why the oracles randomly kill you despite them all being shot in time, rather than "fixing" that we learnt how their teleportation rules worked.

The only bug I had ever encountered was the portal bugs.. Until last Friday! We had a moment where it was myself, Maxi and I think McGray were clearing the oracles and all of a sudden the screen went red and we all wiped. Everyone outside was still alive and got a bit concerned that we had died. They definitely need to work on silly things like that more than fixing the loot IMO. I've had 4 successful runs on the Normal raid now, and have 3 chatterwhites, a pair of raid gloves, Vision of Confluence and the heavy machine guy to show for it. I lucked out immensely with my first solo cheesing of Atheon on hard and got the helmet, hard ship and mythoclast.

I agree with the idea of tokens though, could really do with the boots sometime soon!

 

[UberGinge]

My stance is that you'd shouldn't be hand held in the normal mode and learn it all yourself as it will make you worse at Hard mode. I'm sure you aren't doing this - just seems people are eager to get raiding done for the sake of rewards than to enjoy what the raid is especially the first time...

While Bungie keep making updates its more important for people to learn as much as they can while so over levelled.

I've not heard anything from Maxi yet myself - I assumed everyone could make it as no ones PSNed/posted Herr otherwise!

ps3ud0

Whilst it would be nice for the people to figure things out for themselves, my plan is to subject anyone unlucky enough to be stuck on my team with doing the objective as much as they can. I believe everyone needs a little push and hand holding to get good with every aspect of the raid. Especially if the random teleports becomes a thing! It's easier to have the safety net of Normal mode to do that, the skills are transferable to hard mode. Just need to encourage not dying on Normal

 

[oHUTCHYo]

I've been pretty lucky too really as only have a 2 clears on normal and 1 on hard. I have full gear barring boots, which I just know now will be an absolute nightmare to drop.

If I got the Mythoclast and boots in one sitting I would be delighted

Reference discipline, if you're really talking learning techniques, everyone is different. Some folk will learn from a tactile hands on approach, others will learn from clear instruction. From my experiences so far, I've yet to hear any real clear instruction. It's typically 1 or 2 leader-types who gradually become frustrated with the other 4 people acting like children and either all taking at once or just pratting about. It's enough to nearly put you off the Raid.

That is the real attraction for me with OCUK, I want to find 5 other people who gel and can work together without fuss. Everyone knows their place in the team.

 

[Mr Jones]

Isn't the whole game with the RNG plays on our human nature of wanting to gamble? That kind of addiction gets people to go back time after time. I suspect this is what Bungie found by chance (or they seriously gave much though on this) and will not do anything about it as people will continue to return for the chance, rather than 4/5 raids ensuring a guaranteed raid armour.

 

[ps3ud0]

Whilst it would be nice for the people to figure things out for themselves, my plan is to subject anyone unlucky enough to be stuck on my team with doing the objective as much as they can. I believe everyone needs a little push and hand holding to get good with every aspect of the raid. Especially if the random teleports becomes a thing! It's easier to have the safety net of Normal mode to do that, the skills are transferable to hard mode. Just need to encourage not dying on Normal

Well you've seen my help in action when you ran it the first time and I was just on comms waiting to help when needed when frustration crept in (Gorgons labyrinth still has me in stitches ). It takes more time but the raid should be enjoyed in a game that has such limited unique content...

It does seem that most just run the raid to whatever cheese move is available and when that is fixed they rather learn another one than do it properly. I'm all about the cheese when it comes to Hard raid though - just about makes it possible - dont know anyone whose has done it all the way through properly...

ps3ud0

 

[UberGinge]

Well you've seen my help in action when you ran it the first time and I was just on comms waiting to help when needed and frustration creeper in (Gorgons labyrinth still has me in stitches ). It takes more time but the raid should be enjoyed in a game that has such limited unique content...

It does seem that most just run the raid to whatever cheese move is available and when that is fixed they rather learn another one than do it properly. I'm all about the cheese when it comes to Hard raid though - just about makes it possible - dont know anyone whose has done it all the way through properly...

ps3ud0

With exceptions to last Friday, I've only ever run the raid the "correct" way. I don't see the point in teaching people how to cheese it, especially when it's due to be fixed. Plus half of the challenge is taken away if you just make the boss walk himself off a cliff! I can't speak for hard mode, as I haven't tried it out yet, but on Normal mode it's really not overly difficult to do it correctly.

The part that definitely has everyone struggling is both the maze and the platforming though, never a dull moment there and you're guaranteed a couple of good laughs!

 

[oHUTCHYo]

Can someone just explain; based on a fresh reset, what is the best approach?

I'd like to typically do the normal mode in full and then find a lucky hard mode cheese on Destiny LFG.

Or should I be doing the hard mode cheese first and then the full normal run?

 

[UberGinge]

Can someone just explain; based on a fresh reset, what is the best approach?

I'd like to typically do the normal mode in full and then find a lucky hard mode cheese on Destiny LFG.

Or should I be doing the hard mode cheese first and then the full normal run?

From what I personally have experienced, I cheesed Atheon on hard mode on Tuesday. I think that used up both potential drops (normal and hard) which would explain why I got so lucky (both helmet AND mythoclast on the same drop). It screwed me over on Friday though as I got no loot from Atheon on normal mode.

So if you're only after hard mode only rewards (mythoclast and helmet) then cheese Atheon first (assuming it still works on Tuesday) and then run the normal raid for the rest.

 

[Schnippzle]

Even if I do a run tomorrow I'll gladly jump in on Wednesday as well. Makes a nice change from strikes and bounties

I'll be on tomorrow and hopefully Wednesday

 

[Mr Jones]

Can someone just explain; based on a fresh reset, what is the best approach?

I'd like to typically do the normal mode in full and then find a lucky hard mode cheese on Destiny LFG.

Or should I be doing the hard mode cheese first and then the full normal run?

Just do whatever's available.

I'll be doing whatever's available on OcUK for Xbox One on Normal, if there's a hard, I'll give it a go. Otherwise, I'll do normal again on my other character and then try and do Hard if I get armour from normal to level up.

That said, if you're level 29 now, it doesn't matter. If you're specifically looking for raid armour, do normal then do hard, in case you do find raid armour (boots in your case) to level up.

 

[ps3ud0]

Can someone just explain; based on a fresh reset, what is the best approach?

I'd like to typically do the normal mode in full and then find a lucky hard mode cheese on Destiny LFG.

Or should I be doing the hard mode cheese first and then the full normal run?

I think Im wierd I just run them properly from the start when I get the chance - Ive cheesed Atheon on Hard though a few times just because people need a Sunsinger and asked me to help. Saying that Ive got a 28 Titan that Id love to throw in as hes stuck in a rut when it comes to raid drops...

Ill get what I get when I get it, my Hunters had less work done on him than my Warlock, yet ones level 30 within say 3 raids, while the other still only has 2 pieces and has run it probably 10+ times. I should be frustrated and sometimes I am looking at how other people are so lucky and arent aware how much they are - running multiple characters means I just always have something else to move that frustration into...

So much of this game and why it attracts me has nothing to do with the game Bungie made and everything to do with the effort put in outside of that (social stuff, organisational etc). Its basically kicking around a football at break time at school...

ps3ud0

 

[oHUTCHYo]

Cheers lads. I never been one for socialising on games, barring my counter strike clan days. I think thats why I'm also enjoying Destiny as much as I am.

My personal objective right now is, get the boots, get to 30 and then continue to play with less anxiety... until the DLC arrives then it's back to the grind. I've already raped my secondary character for shards. I can't bear making a third character. I'm going to stick with just my primary Warlock from now onwards