Diane Abbott suspended as Labour MP after racism letter

[Uther]

The fact he wants to drive the economy into the floor and have everyone working on NMW is the concerning thing with these people! Where do they think the money is going to come from for all their vanity projects and building 100'000's of free homes?

He's obviously a raving communist and someone that wants to destroy your country from within. Might even be an immigrant.

 

[adidan]

The general public don't decide Labour's either when their leader doesn't last the full term between GE's.

If it wasn't done in the way that it was then people might think twice about ousting a PM so that wouldn't be right either. Not that I agree with how that VoNC was dealt with.

We elect Parties, their leader becomes PM, The Party changes the Leader, we get a new PM. It's just how it is.

What I was asking was what's your take on the Conservatives having non-UK citizens who are ineligible to vote in the UK being able to vote on the Leader, and subsequently the PM of the UK?

 

[Roar87]

Yeah actual membership fee is £39 for over 26's, £500 was the amount you could donate before needing to be a UK citizen, my bad.

 

[Uther]

Yeah actual membership fee is £39 for over 26's, £500 was the amount you could donate before needing to be a UK citizen, my bad.

£39 or 3949.68 Russian rubles. Cheap enough to influence a countries elite eh.

 

[GGizmo]

You don't see any issues with letting anyone who wants to join, around the World, having a say in who is elected as leader/Prime Minister?

Yes I do.

A right wing party is supposed to be patriotic and sometimes nationalist. The Tories aren't. They are a globalist party and that's why they don't care.

Brexit is a mess because people called the Tories bluff. But as a party they never wanted to do it. Same with Rwanda, small boats, ECHR. They never follow through on the rhetoric.

I'm not a big Labour guy. But at least people know what they are about.

 

[Roar87]

The Tories deliberately keep their membership open to Brits living abroad because some people still wish to be members. They even have their own website https://www.conservativesabroad.org/

 

[LeeUK]

Britain needs a Labour government.

 

[thenewoc]

We elect Parties, their leader becomes PM, The Party changes the Leader, we get a new PM. It's just how it is.

What I was asking was what's your take on the Conservatives having non-UK citizens who are ineligible to vote in the UK being able to vote on the Leader, and subsequently the PM of the UK?

That's just the way it works though isn't it unless you want a VoNC to trigger a GE. In which case that could affect the likelihood of a VoNC reaching the required threshold since the party would know a positive result would result in a GE and them loosing their positions too.

 

[adidan]

That's just the way it works though isn't it unless you want a VoNC to trigger a GE. In which case that could affect the likelihood of a VoNC reaching the required threshold since the party would know a positive result would result in a GE and them loosing their positions too.

Sorry, you seem to be missing my point.

Tory leadership elections. Conservative Abroad members who are NOT British citizens and NOT entitled to vote in any UK local or general elections CAN vote on who is the Conservative Leader and, subsequently PM.

Simply put, some foreign nationals can vote on who can be the UK PM in Tory Leadership contests. I was just curious of your view on that.

 

[Kenai]

I was just curious of your view on that.

I'll be amazed if you get anything other than constant deflections.

 

[adidan]

I'll be amazed if you get anything other than constant deflections.

Thought I'd give it one last go.

 

[VincentHanna]

The Tories deliberately keep their membership open to Brits living abroad because some people still wish to be members. They even have their own website https://www.conservativesabroad.org/

But you don't even have to be British to join!

And Labour have the exact same thing:

Labour International

We are the international section of the UK Labour Party. Check out how to join us on our Membership FAQ page. Labour International (LI) was set up in 1997 so that members of the British Labour Party living outside the UK can continue to be involved in supporting and campaigning for the Labour...

www.labourinternational.net

 

[thenewoc]

I'll be amazed if you get anything other than constant deflections.

It's not a deflection, I've given a thorough in depth answer because you can't cherry pick one aspect and pluck it out of context with the whole potential scenario.

 

[Kenai]

It's not a deflection, I've given a thorough in depth answer because you can't cherry pick one aspect and pluck it out of context with the whole potential scenario.

Of course it's a deflection, you've completely avoided answering the actual question

 

[adidan]

It's not a deflection, I've given a thorough in depth answer because you can't cherry pick one aspect and pluck it out of context with the whole potential scenario.

I find it hard to believe that I have an issue with foreign nationals voting on who our PM is in Tory Leadership contests but you don't.

I'd never dream of deciding such a thing in another country.

 

[thenewoc]

I find it hard to believe that I have an issue with foreign nationals voting on who our PM is in Tory Leadership contests but you don't.

I'd never dream of deciding such a thing in another country.

But their paid up party members that have to be a member for a certain period before they're allowed to vote. You couldn't do it without them because then you'd be getting a result that wasn't representative of the party membership either. You can't ask the general public without there being a GE because you'd have no way of only asking those that voted Tory. So unless you want a VoNC to trigger a GE which would seem more disruptive than parliament going it's full term.

 

[adidan]

But their paid up party members that have to be a member for a certain period before they're allowed to vote. You couldn't do it without them because then you'd be getting a result that wasn't representative of the party membership either. You can't ask the general public without there being a GE because you'd have no way of only asking those that voted Tory. So unless you want a VoNC to trigger a GE which would seem more disruptive than parliament going it's full term.

Foreign nationals helped decide our PM. They cannot vote in any UK election but they can choose who leads us.

My partner is a foreign national, she's lived and worked here for years. She isn't allowed to vote in a General Election, which is right, but those that stump up a few quid can?

I don't believe you're ok with that. At all. a lot of your answer is irrelevant to the fundamental point.

Don't worry, I won't ask again, it'll save you writing a wall of avoidance but it's helped me clarify a few things.

 

[n111ck]

Sorry, you seem to be missing my point.

Tory leadership elections. Conservative Abroad members who are NOT British citizens and NOT entitled to vote in any UK local or general elections CAN vote on who is the Conservative Leader and, subsequently PM.

Simply put, some foreign nationals can vote on who can be the UK PM in Tory Leadership contests. I was just curious of your view on that.

Your acting like this could be used by some nefarious foreign government to install a stooge.

The membership only get to vote once the MP’s have whittled down the contenders to the two best. If there is only one left they have no involvement.

All the contenders have been democratically elected as MP’s by people in this country.

Prime ministers can be removed via a parliamentary vote.

 

[adidan]

Your acting like this could be used by some nefarious foreign government to install a stooge.

The membership only get to vote once the MP’s have whittled down the contenders to the two best. If there is only one left they have no involvement.

All the contenders have been democratically elected as MP’s by people in this country.

Prime ministers can be removed via a parliamentary vote.

It's the principle.

Again, you're dancing around the point.

 

[n111ck]

It's the principle.

Again, you're dancing around the point.

What principle?

Why shouldn’t the members of a party pick their own leader?

Begs the question why anyone from another country would be interested but regardless I’d imagine the numbers are tiny - certainly nothing to froth about.