Diesels Vs Petrol *DEBATE*

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Originally posted by moss
although im a petrol man myself, theres some damn fast diesels out there........and lets not start another arguement...but driving a mini is fun and has waaay less than 150bhp

yeah there are

I drove a Bmw 330d around the prodrive track in kenilworth. Very fast... for a deisel.


if it was a petrol 330 i would have expected it....

See my point?
 
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Originally posted by Simon
Yawn - this is rather tiring, No one buys a diesel who wants a performance car..... full stop.


you DIE SEL lovers have never driven a fast car by the sounds of it.

Driving is boring in anything with less than 150bhp

Si

Your first point is fine. No-one is trying to say that you need to get a diesel performance car

Your SEC OND point is a load of crap.

And your third point? You've obviously never rallyed a mini turbo have you?
 
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Originally posted by Gilly
Your first point is fine. No-one is trying to say that you need to get a diesel performance car

Your SEC OND point is a load of crap.

And your third point? You've obviously never rallyed a mini turbo have you?

VVotevA

How is a load of crap. A 330 petrol i would have expect to be fast

A 330 derv you would have thought was slow but actually its fast...... for a diesel.

This its the problem overall i think. people find a deisel to be faster than they expect and soon asume that the petrol model is slow.

Diesels are as fast as petrol.... for the 1000rpm that they are in te power band before they need to change gear.

For example my car pulls very hard from 2000 to 6500. While it doesnt feel MEGA fast it is pulling all the way through the entire rev range, and hence making rapiud progess. A Derv has a fair bit of lag... smacks you with its torque .. then it starts all over again as you have to change gear pretty soon.

Nope never rallied a Mini turbo. I value my life thanks.

Si
 
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Originally posted by Simon
Driving is boring in anything with less than 150bhp

:rolleyes:

Not everyone is elite enough to own a performance car, you know. There is plenty of fun to be had driving anything. Try telling the hot hatch crowd that a 205 GTi is boring :rolleyes:
 
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Originally posted by Simon
For example my car pulls very hard from 2000 to 6500. While it doesnt feel MEGA fast it is pulling all the way through the entire rev range, and hence making rapiud progess. A Derv has a fair bit of lag... smacks you with its torque .. then it starts all over again as you have to change gear pretty soon.

This changing gear thing is a little misunderstood I think.

Whilst diesels do not rev as high as petrol cars, they also do not rev as freely as petrol cars so take longer to climb up the rev range. If you always needed to change gear in a diesel and not a petrol as you'd have us think, surely you'd run out of gears by about 70mph in a diesel? This is obviously not the case.

I dont think anyone in this thread has advocated diesel as the better fuel for performance cars.
 
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Petrol all the way. it even smells nicer ;) :p

I am no hater of dervs, however i like performance and not too keen on this disesel 'sound' nor lack fo revs.

Sorry to sound so blunt but a derv doesnt do it for me.

Also I'm am not elite.

I drive a £800 car that also happens to have 200bhp by chance
;)

I'll use the money i saved on the extra fuel costs and insurance ta ;)

Si

Ps To get the best performance you want to be in a gear for as long as possible to take advance of the mechanical advantage. Why do you think Vtecs revving to over 8000rpm are so fast , even for a small capacity engine like a 1.6
 
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hmm well can't say I've noticed my HDi smoking and certainly not smelling before but I guess being inside I wouldn't. Can't recall noticing any other modern diesel cars smoking either ...with the exception of the Focus TDI I was following the other day but that engine always was a bit on the agricultural side. I personally like diesel for day to day use but I would choose petrol for a performance car any day.

I never drive on the revs myself, I prefer to keep them below 3000rpm, like to make full use of the torque so diesel is just great for me, due to the way I drive equivalent petrol motors always feels pretty gutless but I admit when I put my foot down and use the revs like you should with a petrol engine they are quick enough, but I'd still only buy a petrol car again if it had 6 cylinders or more :) for day to day real world driving where you don't let the revs get too high and you drive in the higher gears you can't beat diesel in my book, all that torque just makes driving so easy which is what I like, hell I offten wish I'd had an automatic. Don't get me wrong I love driving but I think I take a slightly different approach to many people. I can find driving a good auto very enjoyable when you have a decent engine and a nice smooth autobox but thats a whole other debate.
 
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diesel weasle driver myself pug 405 td estate.
took her a run upto the tour of mull rally last year filled the tank up.picked my 2 mates up with loads of kit shot up the m6. crusing
at about 85/90.through glasgow and past loch lommand still going quite fast,put it this way no one overtook us.
got to tobermory and filed her up again 480 miles on the trip.
10 gallon to fill the tank back up.

if you think a puny 150 bhp paraphin whizzer is fun you just aint lived.try a 500 hp diesel.

btw i have driven fast cars , i'll keep my 405 more fun when the petrol heads cannot keep up.


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oh well I'll join in now :rolleyes:

all TD's will produce some smoke at some point, most of the smoke mentioned is either under acceleration, or all the time, if its all the time and blue - its engine oil, engine needs attention. if the smokes black under acceleration, black is unburnt diesel, so its overfueling, or its overfueling waiting for the turbo boost to come up.

I must have a old diesel, however it only smokes for the first couple of hundred yards in a morning, blue under hard acceleration, mostly when cold.

the engines have different strong points, I have a 1988 defender with a 2.5l TDi engine, my other engine option was a 3.5l V8 petrol, I would love a petrol for everyday running, but I have not because; I can get 30mpg from the TDi, the TDi is not sensative to water and being submerged (just keep the air intake dry!), the cost of running is also a huge point, setting up the petrol can also be a pain especially for LPG, the petrol version is cheaper to buy, the same price to insure, however I have the more expensive tdi,

for landrovers at least, diesel is the way to go, I can prove this as TDi engines complete can go for £1000, even if its 10years old.

also for one of the people with the most tractor like car on here, I can assure you I can never smell the diesel unless I camp next to the exhaust, although I can often smell petrols I follow!
 
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Owning a diesel and having several before, and many knowing people who drive dieselsof all ages/brands:

They *do* smoke

All under different conditions, for many different reasons.

But its a small price to pay for cheaper running costs, the same as losing some performance/response. Ignore the quoted 0-60s, they aren't real world figures, it depends on so many different factors.

I'm not pro diesel, or pro petrol, just pro realism.

Although, the last rice powered racerboy that sat up my **** got a face full of soot. Didn't see him again...........(nothing to do with the blinding performance of my diesel, he was probably franticly wiping his windscreen)
 
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Ive followed a DT and been the person checking for smoke when mine was test driven and there wasnt any. Just to add to this people say petrols are all great, consider this - Insurance is cheaper on a TD than on a petrol, that goes right down to a fiesta 1.1 or similar too.
 
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Originally posted by JosTiX
Ive followed a DT and been the person checking for smoke when mine was test driven and there wasnt any. Just to add to this people say petrols are all great, consider this - Insurance is cheaper on a TD than on a petrol, that goes right down to a fiesta 1.1 or similar too.

Drive it like a granny for a week, then take it down the road and 'clear it out' then tell me it doesn't smoke.
 
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Originally posted by JosTiX
Ive followed a DT and been the person checking for smoke when mine was test driven and there wasnt any. Just to add to this people say petrols are all great, consider this - Insurance is cheaper on a TD than on a petrol, that goes right down to a fiesta 1.1 or similar too.


Originally posted by JosTiX
Should have been specific, insurance is cheaper on a 306 DT than many petrols.

Heh, was gonna say, its cheaper for me on my Y reg clio fully comp than it was on my K reg 106 diesel and that was only TPFT.

I don't think i'll ever be able to work out insurance companys! :D
 
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Insurance on a peugeot 106 diesel was more than on my 306TD as I looked at getting a 106d before the 306 and it was insane, these people cant be right in the head. Why would I want to drive my car like a granny? ;) :D
 
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