Diesels Vs Petrol DEBATE

Maz · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:48

They do smoke, and they do smell.

They smoke a lot when they are thrashed cold.

SDK^ · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:48

Originally posted by [TW]Fox
If they smoke, clearly lots of people, given the huge increase in diesel sales recently. Why is it a problem? The driver cannot see it, it doesnt bother him, it doesnt affect him in any way...

"The driver sitting inside can't hear the engine"
"The driver can't see the smoke"

Yada, Yada

There are other people that use the road other than 'Diesel drivers', how *good* they must feel knowing it's only others that suffer

Gilly · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:50

I can't remember a) seeing blue smoke coming out of the back of a diesel (and I follow my dad down the street on a morning most mornings) or b) being bothered about the noise a diesel makes while running it's engine since my Mum's 1.4 diesel AX!

[TW]Fox · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:50

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
"The driver sitting inside can't hear the engine"
"The driver can't see the smoke"

Yada, Yada

There are other people that use the road other than 'Diesel drivers', how *good* they must feel knowing it's only others that suffer

Suffer is a *vast* over generalisation. If they really did cause other road users to suffer they'd not be allowed on the roads.

How does the noise of a diesel engine make other people suffer any more than a bloke in a Civic Type R really going for it?

And what on earth is this diesel smell on your hands thing? Do you all use ghetto garages with leaking pumps? I've filled mine up countless times and never once had hands that smelt of anything more pungent than the McDonalds I ate previously..

G-Man · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:51

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
"The driver sitting inside can't hear the engine"
"The driver can't see the smoke"

Yada, Yada

There are other people that use the road other than 'Diesel drivers', how *good* they must feel knowing it's only others that suffer

Ok if the noise of a diesel engine is so bad for other drivers then what about motorbikes? Pretty damned loud since they rev so bloody high.

Maz · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:53

I have a BP fuel card, so I only ever fill up at BP and everytime i fill up with Diesel i make sure i use the provided gloves, because if you don't your hands stink for ages.

G-Man · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:54

Originally posted by Maz
They do smoke, and they do smell.

They smoke a lot when they are thrashed cold.

Well duh.....correct me if im wrong but you aint meant to thrash any engine when cold.

SDK^ · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:56

Today I was stuck in a traffic jam for approx 45 mins behind a C220 CDI. He insisted on booting the throttle every time there was a small gap and in the end I had to change lanes as I couldn't stand the smell any longer.

I was thinking - If only Fox could see this (Sad I know) but you had to be there to understand.

I know petrol cars pollute just as much but I never have to turn the heater / A/C off to stop the fumes when following a petrol car.

Fox - for once just accept that it does happen

[TW]Fox · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:58

Originally posted by Maz
I have a BP fuel card, so I only ever fill up at BP and everytime i fill up with Diesel i make sure i use the provided gloves, because if you don't your hands stink for ages.

Well every time I fill up, be it Sainsburys, Shell, Texaco, or wherever, my hands don't smell. And I think I've probably had a few more tankfuls of diesel than you have

Try not putting your hand over the nozzle

Think about it - fuel comes out of the nozzle, you hold onto the handle. Unless the pump has leaked fuel onto the handle, or you've allowed fuel to splash onto it or something, how can it possibly transfer a smell of diesel?

Maz · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:58

Originally posted by G-Man
Well duh.....correct me if im wrong but you aint meant to thrash any engine when cold.

Mine doesn't and its a 1.6 Petrol.

Saying that i never do thrash my engine when cold.

But i was present when they did the MOT on my car

[TW]Fox · 18 Apr 2003 at 16:59

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
I know petrol cars pollute just as much but I never have to turn the heater / A/C off to stop the fumes when following a petrol car.

Never followed a bloke in an old Escort van then?

Unfair comparism, I know. We need to assume the vehicles are in full working order for fair comparism.

G-Man · 18 Apr 2003 at 17:01

Originally posted by Maz
Mine doesn't and its a 1.6 Petrol.

Saying that i never do thrash my engine when cold.

But i was present when they did the MOT on my car

Not caring if your petrol smokes if you thrash when cold....my whole point is that engines are not meant to be thrashed when cold.....little wonder it makes a diesel smoke, it will make a fair amount of petrols smoke as well.

[TW]Fox · 18 Apr 2003 at 17:03

Anyone who jumps in a car and then canes it from cold doesnt have enough respect for their car, IMHO. You should allow it to get up to temperature before you go for it. Who knows what unseen damage you could be causing if you go for it before the oil has heated up properly etc?

SDK^ · 18 Apr 2003 at 17:04

No one is disputing the Performance & Economy of diesels over standard petrol engines Fox, but for once just quit arguing back at everything.

It’s just annoying when someone just disagrees with what ever someone is saying.

Maybe Maz does have a point with his hands smelling of diesel after filling up at a petrol station.
Maybe I have a point about the cars smoking

Just because you don’t have these thing happen to you doesn’t mean they don’t occur.

Learn to accept other people views and opinions occasionally

[TW]Fox · 18 Apr 2003 at 17:07

Originally posted by Sundance Kid
Maybe Maz does have a point with his hands smelling of diesel after filling up at a petrol station.

Just because you don’t have these thing happen to you doesn’t mean they don’t occur.

I dont see why it would occour to him, yet not to me. It's not as if I fill up using some magic method? Surely if your hands stinking of fuel after filling up was a factor against owning a diesel, it'd happen to all diesel owners not just one guy?

I'm going to give up on the smoke one, I can't see me getting anywhere with that

SDK^ · 18 Apr 2003 at 17:10

Bah....

I give up

Hate · 18 Apr 2003 at 17:18

my TD only smokes when its cold, and its never ever blue its more white.

saying that, ive seen loads of petrol cars smoking in the morning

Neil

[TW]Fox · 18 Apr 2003 at 17:37

Originally posted by Hate
saying that, ive seen loads of petrol cars smoking in the morning

You can see the fumes from our petrol car at times, especially in the morning. Looks quite cool actually

Simon · 18 Apr 2003 at 19:04

Yawn - this is rather tiring, No one buys a diesel who wants a performance car..... full stop.

you DIE SEL lovers have never driven a fast car by the sounds of it.

Driving is boring in anything with less than 150bhp

Si

moss · 18 Apr 2003 at 19:07

Originally posted by Simon
Yawn - this is rather tiring, No one buys a diesel who wants a performance car..... full stop.

you DIE SEL lovers have never driven a fast car by the sounds of it.

Driving is boring in anything with less than 150bhp

Si

although im a petrol man myself, theres some damn fast diesels out there........and lets not start another arguement...but driving a mini is fun and has waaay less than 150bhp

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