Diplomatic Immunity

Haggisman · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:19

Chris Wilson said:
There's a vast difference between killing someone with a car you are driving that you know and have a grudge against, and accidentally, albeit carelessly, killing a total stranger.

Is there though? Obviously there is a difference morally, but in the eyes of the law?

sidimmu · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:19

deuse said:
Show me other wise?

Do I really need to? Members of police and gov bodies in america have been getting away with horrific crimes for years without trial or punishment.

Not to mention, I am sure as a diplomat and member of the CIA (if true), running away from crime scene, fighting extradition and refusing to be a part of the trial sort of indicates a certain level of guilt.

Tony Edwards · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:20

Haggisman said:
Is there though? Obviously there is a difference morally, but in the eyes of the law?

yes there is.

deuse · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:21

sidimmu said:
Do I really need to? Members of police and gov bodies in america have been getting away with horrific crimes for years without trial or punishment.

Not to mention, I am sure as a diplomat and member of the CIA (if true), running away from crime scene, fighting extradition and refusing to be a part of the trial sort of indicates a certain level of guilt.

she was employed by the CIA, she was not being employed by the CIA at Croughton.

So she was a normal person in the eyes of the law....
Law in the UK :cry:

Tony Edwards · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:21

sidimmu said:
Do I really need to? Members of police and gov bodies in america have been getting away with horrific crimes for years without trial or punishment.

Not to mention, I am sure as a diplomat and member of the CIA (if true), running away from crime scene, fighting extradition and refusing to be a part of the trial sort of indicates a certain level of guilt.

it was really just a show trial sadly.

Haggisman · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:44

Tony Edwards said:
yes there is.

So if I accidentally knocked the guy sleeping with my wife off his bike and killed him it would be treated differently to if accidentally knocked a random stranger off their bike and killed them?

Tony Edwards · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:47

Haggisman said:
So if I accidentally knocked the guy sleeping with my wife off his bike and killed him it would be treated differently to if accidentally knocked a random stranger off their bike and killed them?

If they linked the guy to your wife they might look into it a bit more.

So you may need to plan it a bit more and make it look like a real accident rather than steaming along the pavement chasing him before you hit and kill him.

deuse · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:49

sidimmu said:
Do I really need to? Members of police and gov bodies in america have been getting away with horrific crimes for years without trial or punishment.

Not to mention, I am sure as a diplomat and member of the CIA (if true), running away from crime scene, fighting extradition and refusing to be a part of the trial sort of indicates a certain level of guilt.

Well. If it's that many you won't have any problems finding one.

Rabid Wolf · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:54

Tony Edwards said:
Did we ever extradite the autism kid that tried to look for evidence of aliens? I cant remember.

Crazy how this has happened but no real surprise.

Gary Mckinnon, nope British Government blocked his extradition to the US.

Haggisman · 9 Dec 2022 at 15:58

Tony Edwards said:
If they linked the guy to your wife they might look into it a bit more.

So you may need to plan it a bit more and make it look like a real accident rather than steaming along the pavement chasing him before you hit and kill him.

Yeah, I realise that, but ultimately it would come down to proving it was deliberate rather than an accident (or even just proving it was you driving at all - wasn't there a case a few years ago where a husband and wife refused to state who was driving and so ultimately all they could do was charge the registered keeper with failing to provide details?).

Tony Edwards · 9 Dec 2022 at 16:15

Haggisman said:
Yeah, I realise that, but ultimately it would come down to proving it was deliberate rather than an accident (or even just proving it was you driving at all - wasn't there a case a few years ago where a husband and wife refused to state who was driving and so ultimately all they could do was charge the registered keeper with failing to provide details?).

I want no part in your plans to kill your wifes lover. Im out.

Haggisman · 9 Dec 2022 at 16:19

Tony Edwards said:
I want no part in your plans to kill your wifes lover. Im out.

You're in luck, I don't have a wife!

...anymore, she had an unfortunate car "accident" whilst out on a bike ride

Chris Wilson · 9 Dec 2022 at 17:12

Haggisman said:
Is there though? Obviously there is a difference morally, but in the eyes of the law?

Good God, one's pre meditated murder, the other is an accident, albeit due to carelessness, the difference, morally and legally is vast.

Semple · 9 Dec 2022 at 17:19

deuse said:
It does not matter.

She did it and ran off.
That's an offence she wasn't charged with.
Only in the UK.

She was charged and sentenced for the original crime. There wasn't much they could do about the "ran off" bit as that would have required the US to agree on extradition.

It's quite amusing why the US and UK even bother having an extradition treaty being very close allies. When neither of them will agree to extradite their own citizens. I suppose it's only there for non-native citizens.

Haggisman · 9 Dec 2022 at 17:23

Chris Wilson said:
Good God, one's pre meditated murder, the other is an accident, albeit due to carelessness, the difference, morally and legally is vast.

Maybe so, but the important thing is what can be proven...

deuse · 9 Dec 2022 at 17:24

Semple said:
She was charged and sentenced for the original crime. There wasn't much they could do about the "ran off" bit as that would have required the US to agree on extradition.

It's quite amusing why the US and UK even bother having an extradition treaty being very close allies. When neither of them will agree to extradite their own citizens. I suppose it's only there for non-native citizens.

The UK law say that she should have got 6 months just for leaving.

But oh no....

sidimmu · 9 Dec 2022 at 18:05

deuse said:
The UK law say that she should have got 6 months just for leaving.

But oh no....

American within intelligence or police forces mean they get away with it. its only the unlucky ones where viral videos ensure that they get punished.

deuse · 9 Dec 2022 at 18:46

sidimmu said:
American within intelligence or police forces mean they get away with it. its only the unlucky ones where viral videos ensure that they get punished.

Any data on that or just opinion?

Surveyor · 9 Dec 2022 at 20:40

deuse said:
The UK law say that she should have got 6 months just for leaving.

But oh no....

The UK law say that she could of got 6 months just for leaving.