Disgusting display of Racism

[Jean-F]

Absolutely. I'm glad you support and endorse that OCUK allows free speech and the calling out of blatant hipocrisy and racism shown by Stormzy.

I’d vaguely heard of Stormzy, presumed that he was in the entertainment business, but felt that he was probably one of those famous for being a bit famous types, so I asked my younger grandkids, both in their teens.
The nicest thing that they said was that he’s a 99p shop Drake, desperately trying to be a pound shop Drake, who I know is a Canadian rapper.
The consensus was that Stormzy’s had his day, and was now into political activism, knocking Boris and bigging up Labour, and that the scholarship for black kids was probably a publicity stunt.
I hasten to add, that was the view of the younger generation, I have absolutely no view on the subject and no interest in how it pans out.

 

[200sols]

The students have to have a confirmed place at the university. Do you object to them receiving a scholarship so they can take up the places they've earned?

Why cant they do what I and most others did.... get a student loan?

 

[Dis86]

Why cant they do what I and most others did.... get a student loan?

That's exactly what I said and he never replied to me.

 

[Ahleckz]

You guys do know that university has got a lot more expensive now a days and a loan won’t cover all your expenses?

Hell, I got a scholarship for my first two years and still came out in lots of debt. And I had a job. It would be great if I had wealthy parents who could have contributed towards all my bills so I could have spent more time studying, doing internships, and being more successful at uni and have more opportunities. But, alas, I had to balance work and studying and it had a negative outcome on my education.

people saying “why can’t they get a loan” are using the same argument as boomers with their houses “well, if you had one less avocado on toast every week you could afford a house like mine. It only cost me £40k on a £20k salary thirty years ago…”

I’ve not read the particulars of who is eligible for the scholarship, but I assume it’ll be earmarked for those who need extra financial assistance. Tarquin probably doesn’t need the help. Tyrone (sorry, that’s my stereotype black name) May well do due to coming from a worse economic background.

This isn’t racist, this is ensuring that those who are bright enough to get into our elite university’s can go without their financial hardships stopping that. And, it’s unfortunate fact that black people are hugely underrepresented at our universities. Surely we should strive to fix that gap and ensure that no matter your colour, your financial circumstances, etc then entry to these institutions should be based solely on educational standard. We need these types of scholarships to help fix this.

Don’t worry, no one in this thread is getting their place taken away from them because of this. I promise you.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Yes it's entirely unbelievable that a non white person may talk in a way that appears to be critical of their own 'race'...

Theres literally a video of a black pastor saying 'black people turn up and turn everywhere into a ghetto'.]

And he couldn't be more correct.

'I don't know any black / asian people that talk like this' ...

Thats because you only know the brainwashed ones that love their backward cultures.

Thanks, I also apologise for how it originally sounded.
I used to run the Equality & Diversity classes at a hospital so I should have known better to sound like I was stereotyping.

Yes, a bunch of useless 'Equality & Diversity' classed run by the Karens in HR teaches you everything you need to know about non white people.

I guess all the gang culture, knife crimes and terrorism that has gone on throughout my life is all just made up. Absolutely no such crimes at all carried out at all by non whites nope.

The institutional training and stuff has an inherent leftist bias from schools to universities to employment.

But I suppose you at least admit you don't know anything about non white people outside of whatever horsecrap the NHS taught you in their forced diversity crap.

You guys do know that university has got a lot more expensive now a days and a loan won’t cover all your expenses?

You know weekend jobs at Mcdonalds and such exist? How do the majority of students that neither get a scholarship nor funding from their parents manage then?

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Well I struggle with this a little, it is racist.
Its well intended racism, but still racism, and as such it actually empowers all racists.

I wonder how many here have ever been to cambridge uni, I dont mean to study, I mean just to see it/tour it or part of it, its actually quite spread out if you consider it a single "thing"
Being somewhat local we would often take our international visitors there to see some of the history before a meal out.
Go back 10 years or so, it was clear there was virtually no black UK students, those there were foreign fee paying. Probably the same for other races as well tbh.

Its often said you will recruit people who look like you, well Cambridge just like many places suffered from this, but also the assumption people of certain race would not be selected and hence best to not apply to go there.

What Stormzy has achieved is made clear by this statement : Senior pro-vice-chancellor, Prof Graham Virgo, said: "Since the Stormzy Scholarships were announced in 2018 we have seen a significant increase in the number of black students applying to study here and being admitted and we are very proud to see the first two students supported by the scheme graduate this year."

Key point bolded by me.

This is the issue, sometimes you need positive discrimination to actually balance the chances.

 

[200sols]

You guys do know that university has got a lot more expensive now a days and a loan won’t cover all your expenses?

Hell, I got a scholarship for my first two years and still came out in lots of debt. And I had a job. It would be great if I had wealthy parents who could have contributed towards all my bills so I could have spent more time studying, doing internships, and being more successful at uni and have more opportunities. But, alas, I had to balance work and studying and it had a negative outcome on my education.

people saying “why can’t they get a loan” are using the same argument as boomers with their houses “well, if you had one less avocado on toast every week you could afford a house like mine. It only cost me £40k on a £20k salary thirty years ago…”

I never had any help, I took a student loan, a maintenance loan and got a part time job.

 

[Surveyor]

Why cant they do what I and most others did.... get a student loan?

That's exactly what I said and henever replied to me.

They could get a student loan but you could say that of the many others who receive scholarships.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Yes, a bunch of useless 'Equality & Diversity' classed run by the Karens in HR teaches you everything you need to know about non white people.

I guess all the gang culture, knife crimes and terrorism that has gone on throughout my life is all just made up. Absolutely no such crimes at all carried out at all by non whites nope.

The institutional training and stuff has an inherent leftist bias from schools to universities to employment.

But I suppose you at least admit you don't know anything about non white people outside of whatever horsecrap the NHS taught you in their forced diversity crap.

I was born in Nigeria.
Came home to Stoke where I lived in Hancock Street (which is now a well know Muslim area) where one side were Indian and the other side were Pakistani.
The street was full of diverse people and my best friend was the footballer Garth Crooks.
You assume too much

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Its often said you will recruit people who look like you, well Cambridge just like many places suffered from this, but also the assumption people of certain race would not be selected and hence best to not apply to go there.

Sorry I have to disagree on this. University applications these days, for both study and work get anonymized. The education and health care environments are the LEAST likely places to still discriminate based on race.

What happens now is that the assessors do not know an applicant's name or racial and other personal information before deciding to interview them, and they usually have two people in the interviews to further minimalize any bias.

I know this from recent applications I made myself - the applicants name gets changed to a number by the admins before being passed onto the assessors, and all personal information removed.

You assume too much

Says the person that thinks all black people must talk and behave the same way.

Also simply more of - 'It never happened to me therefore it doesn't exist'.

 

[Dis86]

I never had any help, I took a student loan, a maintenance loan and got a part time job.

Same.

 

[Ahleckz]

I never had any help, I took a student loan, a maintenance loan and got a part time job.

White middle class people wondering why it may be harder for a inner city black person, with no experience, to get a part time job, in an upmarket highly white area they may never have been to, during a pandemic, when many service industry jobs are going under, whilst trying to fit in at an unusual place, with little support, whilst the same white people suggest they shouldn’t be offered the help that have allowed them to be there in the first place.
Gotcha.

 

[200sols]

White middle class people wondering why it may be harder for a inner city black person, with no experience, to get a part time job, in an upmarket highly white area they may never have been to, during a pandemic, when many service industry jobs are going under, whilst trying to fit in at an unusual place, with little support, whilst the same white people suggest they shouldn’t be offered the help that have allowed them to be there in the first place.
Gotcha.

Nonsense post, also the bolded part. I wasn't offered a 'whites only' scholarship

 

[Dis86]

White middle class people wondering why it may be harder for a inner city black person, with no experience, to get a part time job, in an upmarket highly white area they may never have been to, during a pandemic, when many service industry jobs are going under, whilst trying to fit in at an unusual place, with little support, whilst the same white people suggest they shouldn’t be offered the help that have allowed them to be there in the first place.
Gotcha.

Middle class? I was brought up on a council estate in Blyth. You can't get more lower class.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

White middle class people wondering why it may be harder for a inner city black person, with no experience, to get a part time job, in an upmarket highly white area they may never have been to, during a pandemic, when many service industry jobs are going under, whilst trying to fit in at an unusual place, with little support, whilst the same white people suggest they shouldn’t be offered the help that have allowed them to be there in the first place.
Gotcha.

Am black. Got my first job at Asda while at uni, worked there for 3 years.

Getting jobs while at uni is very easy if you use the resources and links the uni provides.

If you can't get through uni without a scholarship, good luck with the rest of your life.

And actually yes it is harder for non white people to get a job at an early age - because for most their parents have done little to nothing to help them prepare for this.

Don't blame white people for being more aware that they need to do a lot more than simply send their kids to school to prepare them for the real world.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Sorry I have to disagree on this. University applications these days, for both study and work get anonymized. The education and health care environments are the LEAST likely places to still discriminate based on race.

What happens now is that the assessors do not know an applicant's name or racial and other personal information before deciding to interview them, and they usually have two people in the interviews to further minimalize any bias.

I know this from recent applications I made myself - the applicants name gets changed to a number by the admins before being passed onto the assessors, and all personal information removed.



Says the person that thinks all black people must talk and behave the same way.

Also simply more of - 'It never happened to me therefore it doesn't exist'.

Did you manage to completely miss the part where I said recruit people that look like them. Anonymized applications work fine right up until.... the interview stage.

Plus the real point as I highlighted was the actual applications not going in, so they couldn't select nor interview them even with zero bias, as the assumption was they would not be selected. As the university by its own admission numbers DID have a very low representation of certain groups. The historical lack of diversity is not for debate its fact. It wasn't just in regards race either, they had a real issue with UK white students distribution by background as well.

 

[robfosters]

White middle class people wondering why it may be harder for a inner city black person, with no experience, to get a part time job, in an upmarket highly white area they may never have been to, during a pandemic, when many service industry jobs are going under, whilst trying to fit in at an unusual place, with little support, whilst the same white people suggest they shouldn’t be offered the help that have allowed them to be there in the first place.
Gotcha.

You’re talking total nonsense this morning.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Plus the real point as I highlighted was the actual applications not going in, so they couldn't select nor interview them even with zero bias, as the assumption was they would not be selected. As the university by its own admission numbers DID have a very low representation of certain groups. The historical lack of diversity is not for debate its fact. It wasn't just in regards race either, they had a real issue with UK white students distribution by background as well.

Maybe they had less non white applicants. 'Representation of certain groups' is based on which metric? The same as what the police used with '50% of our workforce must be BAME?'.

Anyway, how does simply handing people free scholarship money fix this? Especially when the scholarships are only going to people with already confirmed places?

 

[robgmun]

White middle class people wondering why it may be harder for a inner city black person, with no experience, to get a part time job, in an upmarket highly white area they may never have been to, during a pandemic, when many service industry jobs are going under, whilst trying to fit in at an unusual place, with little support, whilst the same white people suggest they shouldn’t be offered the help that have allowed them to be there in the first place.
Gotcha.

Second gen immigrant, my dad came here with barely a quid in his pocket. Worked 3 jobs while my mum worked as a seamstress and i worked my ass off in school and uni to get where i am and we barely took a single quid from the state while doing it. So you can take your bias and bigotry and cram it up your ******* ass

Have a good day

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Maybe they had less non white applicants.

Again

Yes specifically that, it was hardly a well kept secret that rich white kids were a significant majority
There was some minorish local outcry that rich foreign students could buy their way in, but rich UK couldn't

If you get a low share of X in an applicant group, and you have a completely fair selection process then you would expect your selected group to pretty much mimic that same application distribution.
The only way to achieve a representative of (say national race makeup) would be via a specific criteria to do so, which they didn't.

They seem to have pretty much fixed the distribution problem now.
There are plenty of scholarships etc for poor kids in general some are crazy old, and are also discriminatory although not generally racist as the assumption for many being so old is that only white MALE kids would get it.
I suspect Stormzy will not have the same long term impact.