Disgusting display of Racism

BowdonUK said:
I was a kid in the 90s, and the 70s and 80s era died mainly because people got to know each other. It's harder for the average person to be racist to black people if they are friends with a black person and know their family and culture. I think overt racism died naturally over time.

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As an example I remember when people were saying the old black boards were racist because they were black, and the chalk used was white. Or when it was said snooker was racist because the last ball to be potted was a black ball with the white ball being the "victor". I asked my ethnic friends about this, if they found it offensive. All of them said no. They viewed it as an attempt to divide them from the rest of society by making them a special case.

There is real racism out there, just as there is general discrimination... and its not only white people being racist. Other groups do it too, mostly against other ethnic minority groups. It's a complex issue that can only be resolved by people socialising with each other and we seeing everyone as individuals first.
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I agree with everything you said.

I do think some supposed "anti-discrimination" initiatives are seized on by fragile people, and just distract from the direction of travel. I don't think they help, however well-meaning the intention.

Most of the debate on this thread is a demonstration of that.
 
BallistixOnZ490 said:
A black kid and a white kid from equally poor backgrounds go to the same university and same course. Both pass with a First:

The black kid got a scholarship so didn't need a part time job and graduated with zero work experience.

The white kid got a Saturday job at Subways to support him or herself through uni.

As an employer, I now have two mostly identical applications from these two students. The only difference is that one got a first while also working, the other one didnt work and has no work experience.

Now which of these applicants am I going to hire based on merit? Obviously the one that also has the work experience.

Expecting students to not have to work while at uni is the single most dumbest way to guarantee that they will not be able to find a job after.

Then of course the black student will say the reason he isnt getting hired is racism, not the fact that every other applicant was more experienced.
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I'm genuinely impressed at how hard you've tried to convince yourself this makes any sense. I assume you've never actually hired someone for a job, and if you have, you should probably stop and ask someone else to do it for you - because if you think a Saturday job during uni is the most important thing when it comes to hiring people, you really need to learn how to actually interview.
 
If only our ancestors, both here and elsewhere in the western world, hadn't completely ***** up the social and economic development and integration of black people into our society ay? You are looking at the consequence of enslaving a whole race and treating them as sub-humans with limited rights/subjecting them to constant racism and discrimination.

You may not have had to start stupid threads like this one.

Something like that takes generations and generations to fix.
 
Jono8 said:
If only our ancestors, both here and elsewhere in the western world, hadn't completely ***** up the social and economic development and integration of black people into our society ay?

You may not have had to start stupid threads like this one.
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Weird, black people are amazingly well integrated and welcome in our society. Many of our leaders are black.
What are you looking at to think otherwise?
 
Dis86 said:
Weird, black people are amazingly well integrated and welcome in our society. Many of our leaders are black.
What are you looking at to think otherwise?
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Yes, now they are, but the whole situation is still healing. You can't just flick a switch and make everything ok. It will take time, and that time is still yet to run on this one i'm afraid.
 
Jono8 said:
Yes, now they are, but the whole situation is still healing. You can't just flick a switch and make everything ok. It will take time, and that time is still yet to run on this one i'm afraid.
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Yeah I agree it's not even 80 years since the Germans bombed our children I expect at least another 400 years before we could ever countenance being friendly with Germans!
 
shorttricky said:
I'm genuinely impressed at how hard you've tried to convince yourself this makes any sense. I assume you've never actually hired someone for a job, and if you have, you should probably stop and ask someone else to do it for you - because if you think a Saturday job during uni is the most important thing when it comes to hiring people, you really need to learn how to actually interview.
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Having read his post, and understood it, that is not what it conveys.
 
Jono8 said:
If only our ancestors, both here and elsewhere in the western world, hadn't completely ***** up the social and economic development and integration of black people into our society ay?

You may not have had to start stupid threads like this one.
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Because countries that are overwhelmingly black have no issues with 'integration between different groups' (tribes) and there was never any issues before the white man turned up?

The Zulu's are (not always so well) remembered for their vicious warmongering and expansionist drive (launched under Shaka) through the south of the African continent which is known as the Mfecane 'The Crushing'

'The Zulu practice was to absorb only the women and young men of a clan or village. They killed the elderly and men of fighting age; the lucky ones escaped.'

It was of course this expansionistic, bloodthirsty warmongering that bought the Zulu's into conflict with another, at the time, colonialist force, The British Empire, around the time of the Battle of Rourke's drift .

Fast forward to today and we have the wonderful 'Rainbow nation' that is South Africa complete with legitimised open state racism against whites and we find a fairly recently re dedicated airport named in honour of the bloodthirsty murdering tyrant that was Shaka....

King Shaka International Airport so dedicated in 2010...........


An internet search for 'controversy king shaka zulu airport' on a popular internet search engine brings up a front page filled with stories concerned not with whether it was a good idea, in modern times, to name an international airport after a murdering, expansionistic warlord but instead a page filled with articles about how people were annoyed that a recently erected statue to said murdering tyrant didn't show him armed to the teeth with the very weapons used by his troops to kill what may have been 1 - 2 million of their fellow 'black' Africans


Of course the good old BBC described Shaka rather euphemistically as being a 'Warrior King' where as they describe a white man (who was arguably far less destructive in his time), Cecil Rhodes as being an 'imperialist'

It's also rather confusing why some non white groups have seemed to integrate themselves so well in places like the UK and US that they frequently beat whites in metrics around things like salaries, education and crime if its all down to whitey?

There's also a famous lack of issues where there's little to no current white influence.

For example, then often rather successful, Chinese communities in Asia that reside outside of China face zero actual systemic oppression (this is sarcasm for anyone not clever enough to work it out)

It's almost as if there's nothing exceptional or particularly different about white peope and that all groups are equally capable of in group preferences and discrimination of out groups and that peope who pretend otherwise are fools and or liars.
 
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Tefal said:
Yeah I agree it's not even 80 years since the Germans bombed our children I expect at least another 400 years before we could ever countenance being friendly with Germans!
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That isn't really the same as stunting social mobility for a whole race of people is it :confused:
 
Jono8 said:
If only our ancestors, both here and elsewhere in the western world, hadn't completely ***** up the social and economic development and integration of black people into our society ay? You are looking at the consequence of enslaving a whole race and treating them as sub-humans with limited rights/subjecting them to constant racism and discrimination.

You may not have had to start stupid threads like this one.

Something like that takes generations and generations to fix.
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I didnt do that?

Are you blaming me for the actions of others?

That's a slippery slope as it means you can blame all I.migrants from Pakistan of gang raping white girls.

Or all back people for knife crime and killing people in the streets?

Asi mentioned there are 9x as many white people living in poverty in the uk compared to black people.

The truth is poor people in the uk have always been segregated or treated poorly and exploited, be it in the victorian mills, the mines or whatever.
 
Jono8 said:
That isn't really the same as stunting social mobility for a whole race of people is it :confused:
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There are plenty of active racially motives genocides going on right now. None of them are being done by white westerners. No one gives a **** because there's nothing to be gained pointing out the evil of other poor people

The most deprived class in the UK is poor white people not any other race
 
Tefal said:
Yeah I agree it's not even 80 years since the Germans bombed our children I expect at least another 400 years before we could ever countenance being friendly with Germans!
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I've only recently forgiven the Romans for what they did, like Jono8 says, you've got to give it time...
 
dowie said:
I've only recently forgiven the Romans for what they did, like Jono8 says, you've got to give it time...
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It isn't about forgiving anyone for anything. You have all completely turned what i said into something i didn't say at all. I never mentioned anything about grudges or feelings towards each other.
 
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