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No I'm saying the farmers/shops think they're angels mate, so you've made the wrong assumption here bud.
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Fair enough, I misunderstood/misread.
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I know that is what you think, and i know this is wrong. Omnivore doesn't mean what you think it means.
Were you to decide to eat only meat, eggs, dairy for one month you'd change your mind.
I honestly don't follow. I'm not particularly interested in a Keto diet and I enjoy vegetarian food. Keto has it's downsides just like limiting yourself to anything does. What's wrong with moderation?
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I mean i do eat an apple + a banana for dessert.
If i can smell strawberries while passing the section i'll buy them, thats when they taste good.
Anyway there is nothing for us to discuss your reply is just debate mode counter, but if you actually did it you'd change your mind, the only question is if you'd admit it or not. My diet was probably what you are eating now previously FYI. I can cook you know.
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I was being genuine but ok. I know people who have done Keto and it has worked out for some, not for others. I know it can cause problems with your kidneys, exacerbate liver issues and can be quite bad for people with digestion problems (and lacks some necessary nutrients but supplements solve that), but not that much else. My main reason for not considering it is that all the food coming from livestock really isn't good for the environment. It's also expensive unless you're buying cheaper meat. It's just how I feel about it, not a judgement.
I'd get bored with it, I know that much.
Not sure what your ability to cook has to do with that
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I'd get bored with it, I know that much.
Not sure what your ability to cook has to do with that
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It does cross my mind and sometimes doesn't sit comfortably, ultimately though they exist to be utilised by humans. If everyone stopped eating meat these animals are not going to just be left to go wild, most wouldn't last very long whether that's due to the weather or predators. What if there was a foot and mouth outbreak amongst the wild animals for example, how is that dealt with if there is nobody looking after and managing them anymore?
Yes these animals wont be killed anymore for our consumption but they would end up dying out in the end. Sounds depressing not having fields with Cows, Sheep etc.
Yes these animals wont be killed anymore for our consumption but they would end up dying out in the end. Sounds depressing not having fields with Cows, Sheep etc.
Took a trigger with me and that was a few hours in the meat industry ( very rare I walk out on a job) my ex had the same following a truck full of chickens.
I don't feel I am harming anyone and just feel better in myself than when I ate dead things and yes I did for many decades.
Had to stop following Instagram vegans as I got a constant stream of animal cruelty, what's the point when I am already converted so to speak).
I don't feel I am harming anyone and just feel better in myself than when I ate dead things and yes I did for many decades.
Had to stop following Instagram vegans as I got a constant stream of animal cruelty, what's the point when I am already converted so to speak).
I have to disagree. we are omnivores. of people choose to be vegan more power to them . I DONT feel guilty eating meat per se. I do feel a little guilty eating some meat more than others but a free range animal or something my dad shot I have zero guilt at all any more than any other animal. nn does a vegan feel guilty for every fly they squash on their windscreen, if not why not? that road leads to walking around with a little brush and not going anywhere.
my choice to cut down on meat would be environmentally driven not ethically..... and on that it's not black and white either because some meat is sustainable and some vegetables and fruit have more of a carbon footprint than some locally sourced meat .
and not eating eggs.....not for me. that means no cake, no pastry , no merangues..... (and no sausage and egg butties? ) no chance
I do miss our pet chickens tho.... but they were too much work once we had a kid so we rehomed them.
Its a difficult subject, and everyone is different. I do feel. Guilty.
Processed meat subs are pretty good now.
My favourite (and some people love them, some hate them) are. Beyond burgers on the Bbq.
One thing. When doing a bbq with vegan options you have no worries about food poisoning.
I can sense some people cringing at a vegan Bbq!
I've never looked at it like that. I look at it from the perspective of placing me in thier shoes. An individual perspective.
I have no issues in an artificial breed/genetic line (take Ross chickens) dying out. Because it means no more consciousness' need to go through that torture.
I'd rather kill 100 animals cleanly than one animal in a grotesque way.
You hear/read quite a lot "well if we didn't farm then, they'd die out"
If you and your family were farmed, and your kids were going to be farmed. Would you care of you were going to die out? No. You wouldn't want to breed as you wouldn't want to subject them to that same torture.
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where do the vegans here stand on medical testing?
I am not talking about spraying oven cleaner in puppies eyes or making a chimp smoke 30 cigs a day, but the 1000s of animals killed in genetic knockout experiments
or research into cancer drugs?
would you refuse a drug if it had been tested on animals? or harder still would you refuse it for your kids?
generally I am a live and let live kind of guy (ironic considering it's about killing animals) but if a vegan wants to vegan then more power to them
where I get angry is if they force it on dependants however.
I am not talking about spraying oven cleaner in puppies eyes or making a chimp smoke 30 cigs a day, but the 1000s of animals killed in genetic knockout experiments
or research into cancer drugs?
would you refuse a drug if it had been tested on animals? or harder still would you refuse it for your kids?
generally I am a live and let live kind of guy (ironic considering it's about killing animals) but if a vegan wants to vegan then more power to them
where I get angry is if they force it on dependants however.
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Only extreme vegans will turn that down. And if your life was literally on the line, I doubt many will.
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ok true enough. but if when they are fit and healthy they campaign against it (sometimes with violence to the staff) then even if when push comes to shove they may reverse ferret and take the drug ..... it's kind of moot if their actions had gotten the company closed down working on the thing they needed so the drug may never now exist in the 1st place
(and whilst our company no longer has a mouse house - possibly due to external pressure - and we were somewhat shielded even when we did due to a far higher profile company down the road who took most of the heat...... but I had to go through the training of what to do if attacked by animal rights folk when going to or leaving work hence I have some experience of this.)
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Think it depends on how they campaign.
For example if it's a positive way to reduce I have no issue with that.
But belittling people (and even other vegans) with the aim of doing zero harm is obviously not good for their aims, nor is it achievable.
For me, every little helps. And a lot my actions are very personal (I don't eat chicken because I love my chickens). So even having one meat free meal a week is something to be encouraged, rather than negatively pushing that now you've cut down, you need to cut out.
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I had to look up Ross chickens as I didn't know about them, weird how they describe the chickens...The Ross 308, sounds like something from Robocop.
Fair point although I'm not sure how much say Cows for example are aware. Saying that though I had read or someone had told me that the mothers can pine after the young when they are taken away at such a young age, always thought that was awful...then try not to think about it.
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Applewood is ok if your bury it in something, otherwise all vegan cheeses are horrendous on their own and nothing remotely like dairy cheese.
It's the same for milk alternatives, especially in tea where none gives you a cup that remotely looks nor tastes the same (as a dairy milk tea) and you end up having to massively compromise - i can only assume manufacturers can't replicate the fats of dairy.
It's why i now mostly drink tea/coffee black with the exception of cappuccinos which will be oat or soya.
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This, I think most vegans would say it is acceptable to be use medication that may have undergone animal testing as there are not any vegan alternatives available.
When it comes down to a survival situation you would accept it, even if it conflicts with your ethical beliefs.
I'm not too clued up on other animals.. Not sure we can really know thier sentience.
I mean I think octopus farming is absolute barbarism due to thier intelligence.
I do know a chunk about chickens. Chickens are actually quite intelligent as birds go. Obviously not corvid level. But they recognise and remember faces, have strong personalities. I believe they can even count.
They are social animals too with a hierarchy, which often goes alongside higher level thinking.
My hens are completely different in personality. Claudia will always come and say hello. She'll settle on my lap if I'm out in the garden. Mirana, she won't ever come see me, unless I have seeds. They go absolutely crazy for seeds. It looks almost identical to thier food. But they know by sight and which bucket I go to if they are getting seeds or feed.
This might be amphropomorphism. But I've left thier run door shut with them out in the garden, and Claudia will come tap on the window with her beak. I wondered why the first time.. Until I saw she couldn't get in her house. She does it every time now.
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