Just so I understand - you believe that a meat eating diet has less or an equivalent environmental impact than a plant based one? Is that correct?
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Just so I understand - you believe that a meat eating diet has less or an equivalent environmental impact than a plant based one? Is that correct?
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I think the problem is that no one really understands the point you are trying to make. If you state the exact scenario you are thinking of (hard stop, decline), what you think the result would be, and why it is worse than the current reality.
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I 100% understand him.
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Selective deafness again I see.
I give up, you crack on, I'm sure you'll do a great job convincing people to stop eating meat just like you have here
Why would I listen to you? Youre not going to change are you, you make jokes about putting pigs in gas chambers.
Oh btw, not once have I called anyone bad or evil, so you just make things up.
LESS MEAT BETTER FOR ENVIRONMENT
A huge dataset confirms that a vegan diet is dramatically better than a meat diet across a broad range of environmental measures including biodiversity
www.alumni.ox.ac.uk
45 pages of discourse over an incredibly tame, honestly kinda hilarious advert, in less than a week lmao. We really delve deep into the worlds real problems around here don't we.
Depends if you care about animals or not doesnt it, most people do I think, we just have a blindspot when it comes to our stomachs.
Ed Winters has some good vids on youtube if anyone is interested
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I think it is quite clear, one scenario two outcomes. Far fetched maybe but no more than the vegans just trying to shock you into changing or rolling off the same speel
Why would I listen to you? Youre not going to change are you, you make jokes about putting pigs in gas chambers.
Oh btw, not once have I called anyone bad or evil, so you just make things up.
LESS MEAT BETTER FOR ENVIRONMENT
A huge dataset confirms that a vegan diet is dramatically better than a meat diet across a broad range of environmental measures including biodiversity
Depends if you care about animals or not doesnt it, most people do I think, we just have a blindspot when it comes to our stomachs.
Can we change land suited for cattle and use it for crops to deliver food on a larger scale sustainably. The answer is possibly to a certain point and for a limited amount of people in certain areas.
Veganism as a sustainable concept is flawed.
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So essentially, if everyone starts changing to plant based, animals will either be culled or not looked after?
What about a meat eating diet as a sustainable concept, is that also flawed,?
The Vegan paradox.
Take a guess? The environmental challenge we face is huge.
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I answered my opinion earlier in the thread, better 90 billion die once than it carry on thousands of years.
They are going to be killed anyway, whether they get eaten or not after culling or slaughter doesn’t matter to the animal that died.
Even in a gradual reduction, it would be so gradual the supply would most likely reduce before farmers start abandoning animals.
Why is either outcome worse for animals long term than the current situation?
Edit: opinions above are not representative of all vegans or plant based eaters, don’t take me as speaking for all
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That would be possible depends on how the changes are made, too quickly yes I would think so
There's an echo in here.
Soldato
Truly Partidgesque. I applaud you.
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Which means that farm animals like cows, sheep, pigs, goats, chickens etc would be exhibited in zoos, basically Vegans want genocide of all these animals because nobody will look after a field full of cows if they aren't making money out of them.
Surely it's best to let an animal have a life for several years wandering round in a field eating & farting all day than to be none.
I can imagine my great grandkids being told "See these fields they used to be full of animals but there's none now because of Vegans".
That's what I've been trying to get across, obviously my way of explaining sucks
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No, they're not listening, they never do.
Well they won't be full of natural animals, they will all be monstrous genetic abnormalities in the pursuit of 'making money out of them' and it won't be small time farmers either as big agri/pharma will have captured the entire market by then.
Pardon
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I looked it up before I posted, by all means show me a different figure if you think its more than that. Ok, this one pegs it at 18% - so thats still 82% from plants, so yes I would still call that most britons live on a plant based diet compared to the ancesterally appropriate carnivores that we should be.
Reducing food’s environmental impacts
www.leap.ox.ac.uk
https://carnivorestyle.com/carnivore-diet-studies/
there are at least 3 studies showing improved health markers for participants, this number will continue to grow as research is currently being crowd funded to go ahead
there was also another study that showed that a high fiber diet reduced gut problems, but a zero fibre diet reduced gut problems to zero, the best gut health was on zero fibre
the only info you've been able to post up from the vegan side has 7th day Adventists plastered all over it - it is literally religious propaganda from a group already proven to have encouraged fraudulent results via under the table payments in the 60's and 70's
I don't have a car at all and don't go on foreign holidays (I don't live in the UK anyway) - are you the one that was posting in a vegan thread about environment whilst also planning a holiday to the US?
I have a small holding (half an acre) and raise our own food (ducks and chickens - we buy in zero "food" for them, its all foraged from our own land) and my other meat/dairy comes from within 5 miles - we are considering gettings pigs as well - a cow might be a bit unrealistic as I'm not sure we could store a whole cows worth of meat - we have solar panels that provide 90% of our leccy too
our land is basically wild and the animals get all their food from this piece of land - even if we wanted to go vegan we'd have to we'd basically have to flatten a wild bio-diverse area and use loads of pesticides to be able to grow anything
even the group that did the original "meat emissions bad" report that everything else is based on admitted they were wrong; https://www.farminstitute.org.au/in...sts-even-after-authors-admit-they-were-wrong/
cutting meat would make much less of a difference to emissions than has been assumed and hijacked by organisations like PETA who have just twisted it to suit their agenda
I don't think you are reading, or certainly not understanding, the links you are posting. That study on reducing emissions by 30% you just posted says they sent out questionnaires to 55,000 people and then looked some stuff up on a database, it was a box-ticking excercise, they did absolutely zero of their own measurements, no actual science was done to determine their numbers.
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