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not true they can eat a dry diet .. but still need the protein from meat (even in dry form) .. and they should not eat wheat or corn potato ..
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I had a dog that once eat a 6-7lbs capon along with some tin foil.
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was it cooked ?? lucky he din't choke .. big dog to eat that in one sitting
was it cooked ?? lucky he din't choke .. big dog to eat that in one sitting
It was going to be Sunday lunch. Yeah he was a big old Dane cross. He did question his life choices afterwards, greedy sod.
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My sisters dog used to eat socks when he was young, had to go the the vets many times to make him throw up. Silly muppet once vomited in the car on the way there and promptly ate it again before we could grab it >.<was it cooked ?? lucky he din't choke .. big dog to eat that in one sitting
Edit: he was not vegan and desperate for socks haha
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We now live in such a hyper sensitive society that indeed, Feelz > everything..
This one popped up a few days ago that caused some discussion:
Its immoral to prefer your children to be biologically related to you
I saw a puppy eat a dish cloth, it went all the way through and had to be pulled out the other end..
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Great Danes are lovely!
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Ewf, I bet wasn’t pretty to see! I remember once my dog having a poop which was hanging from her by some hair still going inside her, me in public trying to gently pull it out without hurting her and her clenching away, not fun.
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Figured out the definition of mutilation yet?
I looked it up before I posted, by all means show me a different figure if you think its more than that. Ok, this one pegs it at 18% - so thats still 82% from plants, so yes I would still call that most britons live on a plant based diet compared to the ancesterally appropriate carnivores that we should be.
Reducing food’s environmental impacts
www.leap.ox.ac.uk
https://carnivorestyle.com/carnivore-diet-studies/
there are at least 3 studies showing improved health markers for participants, this number will continue to grow as research is currently being crowd funded to go ahead
there was also another study that showed that a high fiber diet reduced gut problems, but a zero fibre diet reduced gut problems to zero, the best gut health was on zero fibre
the only info you've been able to post up from the vegan side has 7th day Adventists plastered all over it - it is literally religious propaganda from a group already proven to have encouraged fraudulent results via under the table payments in the 60's and 70's
I don't have a car at all and don't go on foreign holidays (I don't live in the UK anyway) - are you the one that was posting in a vegan thread about environment whilst also planning a holiday to the US?
I have a small holding (half an acre) and raise our own food (ducks and chickens - we buy in zero "food" for them, its all foraged from our own land) and my other meat/dairy comes from within 5 miles - we are considering gettings pigs as well - a cow might be a bit unrealistic as I'm not sure we could store a whole cows worth of meat - we have solar panels that provide 90% of our leccy too
our land is basically wild and the animals get all their food from this piece of land - even if we wanted to go vegan we'd have to we'd basically have to flatten a wild bio-diverse area and use loads of pesticides to be able to grow anything
even the group that did the original "meat emissions bad" report that everything else is based on admitted they were wrong; https://www.farminstitute.org.au/in...sts-even-after-authors-admit-they-were-wrong/
cutting meat would make much less of a difference to emissions than has been assumed and hijacked by organisations like PETA who have just twisted it to suit their agenda
I don't think you are reading, or certainly not understanding, the links you are posting. That study on reducing emissions by 30% you just posted says they sent out questionnaires to 55,000 people and then looked some stuff up on a database, it was a box-ticking excercise, they did absolutely zero of their own measurements, no actual science was done to determine their numbers.
I quite clearly stated i'm not an environmentalist, love the link you've provided btw, "carnivore style" xD
The farminstitue link talks about studies from 2006.... that's not exactly up to date data is it, its not just organizations like PETA saying meat is bad for the environment, its just about every study and data on the subject from non bias sources
Its not just about emissions either, its land use and resources, 80 billion land animals alone use up a lot more crops than 8 billion humans.
Environmental Impacts of Food Production
What are the environmental impacts of food production? How do we reduce the impacts of agriculture on the environment?
ourworldindata.org
Eating less meat 'like taking 8m cars off road'
A new Oxford University study pinpoints for the first time how high- and low-meat diets impact the planet.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I don't think a testimony provided to US congress back in 1985 would count as current evidence?
To your point around the 2050 climate plan here -if anyone else is bored at work today. I can't find anything specific about meat consumption unless it's buried in the individual country reports?
And I'm not sure what 'Royal Society' research you are referring to, smashing in 'meat consumption, Royal Society' into Google returns this which has this lovely nugget in:
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The environmental benefits of switching to a mostly
plant-based diet are also substantial (figure 1). We are
currently on track to exceed greenhouse gas emission
limits set out by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change (IPCC) for the agricultural sector by 2050. In
conjunction with use of green energy sources, adopting
a target diet will prevent us from overshooting this limit,
while adding improvements in production and reducing
waste allow us to undercut it.There's a much easier to digest study release recent by EAT that received a bunch of press earlier this year in regards to a diet that is 'good for people and the planet' - https://eatforum.org/eat-lancet-commission/.
I do kinda understand where you're coming from but I'm really struggling to see the overwhelming evidence that consuming meat (and all the associated processes) is a current net positive in terms of environmental and health factors. I guess it's kinda similar to the whole 'humans caused global warming', the overwhelming evidence is yes we did but there is of course research conducted that aims to prove that in-fact it's a natural occurrence etc etc.
To me it just feels inevitable that our meat consumption has to reduce, not everyone needs to (or will) go fully vegan but the whole plant bast diet will become more prevalent in our society.. I'd be somewhat astounded if it didn't.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrOzwoMKzH4 how can you not like this .. it's all so yummy
This argument is just ludicrous.
Of all the arguments against veganism the one of "where will all the animals go? " is the worst.
In no reality is the world going to switch to veganism overnight. And to be honest, if cows werent needed for our consumption, they could just be allowed to live out thier natural lives.
For pigs and meat chickens, there is no life.
I wish people who eat animal products could just accept they are OK with cruelty and suffering to some degree. Or thats it's not OK for a dog but is OK for a chicken.
At least be honest, because that is what it is.
For those who are honest. I accept that. We all do harm to varying degrees.
And that I think is why these threads get so heated. Many think of themselves as animal lovers. But turn that blind eye to farming.
So responses in this thread will dance around the above with
-but think of the animals
-it's not so bad
-veganism isn't better for the environment
-we can't all go vegan
Veganism is better for the
- environment
- the animals
And it's better for almost the entire world, except extreme climates where people live and use the land in a non intensive way.
But it's hard to admit "I'm OK with cruelty to a pig, a chicken, a cow.. But a dog? No"
Because that's what it is. And that's why I agree that vegans are better than all us non vegans. Simply because they are doing a better job for the planet and animal cruelty. How can that not be "better"?
At least be honest, because that is what it is.
For those who are honest. I accept that. We all do harm to varying degrees.
And that I think is why these threads get so heated. Many think of themselves as animal lovers. But turn that blind eye to farming.
So responses in this thread will dance around the above with
-but think of the animals
-it's not so bad
-veganism isn't better for the environment
-we can't all go vegan
Veganism is better for the
- environment
- the animals
And it's better for almost the entire world, except extreme climates where people live and use the land in a non intensive way.
But it's hard to admit "I'm OK with cruelty to a pig, a chicken, a cow.. But a dog? No"
Because that's what it is. And that's why I agree that vegans are better than all us non vegans. Simply because they are doing a better job for the planet and animal cruelty. How can that not be "better"?
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Sadly no dogs, she died 7 years ago and don’t think I could go through that loss again. She wasn’t vegan, Golden retriever with a fair few health issues over her 13 years, still say goodnight to her most nights.
I don’t think it is TBH. We are responsible for a crisis and a move to Veganism just increases the crisis.
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