Distasteful vegan TV ad

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oh my good lord just look at the sources used for this scientific feast of meat is good ,its not only laughable its worrying that some on here are even allowed in society without supervision
carnivore style , jeez
some extracts below lol
"The first study on people following an all-meat diet happened in 1928 [. This study doesn’t specifically say it’s about a, but the food principles of the participants are the same

another one "However, this study used a non-randomized sample of self-reporting participants, so the authors say further study is needed to verify the findings.

"However, the researchers also caution that the study was done on a small number of participants and that its duration was short!

its not even funny how thick some people are
 
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oh my good lord just look at the sources used for this scientific feast of meat is good ,its not only laughable its worrying that some on here are even allowed in society without supervision
carnivore style , jeez
some extracts below lol
"The first study on people following an all-meat diet happened in 1928 [. This study doesn’t specifically say it’s about a, but the food principles of the participants are the same

another one "However, this study used a non-randomized sample of self-reporting participants, so the authors say further study is needed to verify the findings.

"However, the researchers also caution that the study was done on a small number of participants and that its duration was short!

its not even funny how thick some people are
Yeah sorry, 7th day Adventists can outspend real research to the tune of billions of dollars, but hey if you can just make things up and pay someone to say it applies to thousands or millions of people the it must be true

I mean, the vegan side haven't put forth anything other than questionnaire based research either (by definition long term studies are also not going to be double blind)
But yes, its not even funny how thick some people are, it just appears not to be the people that you assume
 
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Another big issue with crops is intensive farming is slowly making the ground less fertile.

We don't just get the meat from cattle, we also get leather and a bunch of other things used in every day items. The "vegan" alternatives are mostly rubbish and either don't last as long or don't work as well.
 
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It is. Wouldn't you agree that a vegan diet has less of an impact on the environment than a meat eating one, but both are flawed?

Vegaism would force us into chemically framing land that just isn’t suitable. It would be a similar situation as returning to releasing CFC and oxides of nitrogen to the atmosphere. I suppose a plan to offset the cost could be found, but they would require some extreme mechanisms.
 
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thing is some meat eaters wont question things , programmed and indoctrinated from birth like little wind up toys to follow a set path until inevitably they die of cancer or heart disease ,game over
poor education doesn't help

i would have to educate you first so it could be a long time before you grasped the answer

yeah but being the hired help down at farmer Browns doesn't necessarily bring enlightenment

That's an easy one, its because you lack empathy

This really relates to the hard core meat eaters on here:

Against stupidity we have no defense. Neither protests nor force can touch it. Reasoning is of no use. Facts that contradict personal prejudices can simply be disbelieved — indeed, the fool can counter by criticizing them, and if they are undeniable, they can just be pushed aside as trivial exceptions. So the fool, as distinct from the scoundrel, is completely self-satisfied. In fact, they can easily become dangerous, as it does not take much to make them aggressive. For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.” — Dietrich Bonhoeffer

I think some people are conveniently forgetting the thread was started by a whining meat eater :p

The team meat dinosaurs on here won't be changed as they lack the ability to question anything,they probably donate to save the cute furry animal charity in Africa and then tuck into their dead purchases.
They would fit perfectly into an orwellian dystopian society, blindly non questioning robots in human form without the emotional depth or intellect to grasp right and wrong.
Oxygen theives,let's just pin our hopes on future generations

Yeah but the guys in shiny boots many decades ago may have had a clear conscience but doesn't make it just

its not even funny how thick some people are

Gotta love how a significant proportion (40%} of your contributions are just pithy attacks and/or just plain nonsensical :cry: :cry:

So any meat eaters are indoctrinated, uneducated, unempathetic, Orwellian Nazis that are stealing oxygen?

Good job... A* :cry:
 
Gotta love how a significant proportion (40%} of your contributions are just pithy attacks and/or just plain nonsensical :cry: :cry:

So any meat eaters are indoctrinated, uneducated, unempathetic, Orwellian Nazis that are stealing oxygen?

Good job... A* :cry:
Hey I only mentioned shiny boots ,do you see a connection ? here lie down on this couch and tell me all about it :p
 
Vegaism would force us into chemically framing land that just isn’t suitable. It would be a similar situation as returning to releasing CFC and oxides of nitrogen to the atmosphere. I suppose a plan to offset the cost could be found, but they would require some extreme mechanisms.

Ok, so in you're opinion eating meat is more sustainable than going plant based?
 

Wow what? You've discredited vegan farming so much in the thread, there is solid evidence to show that at this point in time it's less impactful on the environment than animal agriculture.

You point out how it's not sustainable but neither is your alternative! The solution isn't vegan or meat farming, we need something that will meet demand. However at this point in time a vegan diet is less impactful on the environment than meat eating.

I'm not talking about theoretical situations in the future, but here and now.
 
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Wow what? You've discredited vegan farming so much in the thread, there is solid evidence to show that at this point in time it's less impactful on the environment than the animal agriculture.

You point out how it's not sustainable but neither is your alternative! The solution isn't vegan or meat farming, we need something that will meet demand. However at this point in time a vegan diet is less impactful on the environment than meat eating.

I'm not talking about theoretical situations in the future, but here and now.

We face a monumental inter generational challenge, not a theoretical problem. Veganism adds to that challenge.
 
Do any vegans on here have pets (cats, dogs, etc) and have you made them vegans too?

I’ve attempted to train several dogs to accept Vegan diets and it’s frustrating. Just when they seem to be making progress almost desperate to eat, they keel over and die.

Will buy more dogs soon.
 
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Which means that farm animals like cows, sheep, pigs, goats, chickens etc would be exhibited in zoos, basically Vegans want genocide of all these animals because nobody will look after a field full of cows if they aren't making money out of them.
Surely it's best to let an animal have a life for several years wandering round in a field eating & farting all day than to be none.
I can imagine my great grandkids being told "See these fields they used to be full of animals but there's none now because of Vegans".
I don't want genocide, I don't want any any animal to die. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose" But it's the lesser evil of the options Tony presented, in my opinion anyway.

It's like the moral machine test, your car brakes have failed, do you run over 1 woman and 1 boy, or 1 large woman 1 boy and 1 elderly man (taken from moralmachine.net, I'm not hating on large women). It's not that you want to run anyone over, they're both bad, it's the choice you're given.

"Surely it's best to let an animal have a life for several years wandering round in a field eating & farting all day than to be none."

The thing is the meat industry varies widely depending on the animal, I'm not sure what lasts 7 years, I couldn't find anything for breeding ewes.

Dairy cows can live for 20 years but normally have 4-6 productive years before killed. Beef cattle 18 months, and veal four to five months old.

Sheep can live for 10-12 years, but I haven't been able to find how long breeding ewes remain productive. Lamb slaughter can range from 10 weeks to 6 months.

Pigs can live 10-15 years, but breeding sows have 3 years before being sold for slaughter and replaced. Piglets are killed at 5-6 months old.

Natural chickens can live 5-10 years. Egg laying hens production declines at 72 weeks at which point they are sent for slaughter. Male chicks are macerated around 24 hours after hatching. Meat chickens get 5-7 weeks.

Meat chickens have undergone forced evolution since 1948 to be what they are now, they are probably not capable of living longs past their expected slaughter age. "The birds had lighter bones, bigger breasts, faster growth rates and smaller appetites for expensive feed.".

If you take a rough number of around 19 million chickens a week killed in the UK. With a hard stop scenario, based on 7 weeks of chickens currently being alive, that's close to 140 million chickens instead of 1 billion each year.

Why would we want to perpetuate the short life and death of billions of animals if an alterative could be found? A hard stop would never happen, I would hope most people would want a valid alternative at some point. Again I'll say I hope lab gown (not from foetus) becomes a financially cheaper and nutrition/texture/taste alternative.

As for grandkids, what if in the future they look back with sadness at what we do now.

So again, I don't want anything to die, including us, it fills me with sadness that we all will. To quote the great Private Hudson "We're on an express elevator to hell – going down!"
 
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Do any vegans on here have pets (cats, dogs, etc) and have you made them vegans too?

I don't know how they could live with themselves owning a cat though. Surely it goes against everything they stand for? My cat Winston (R.I.P) would quite easily go through 20+ mice, vole and even the occasional bird during the summer.

Maybe they think that the cat species should go instinct because they kill innocent animals?
 
I’ve attempted to train several dogs to accept Vegan diets and it’s frustrating. Just when they seem to be making progress almost desperate to eat, they keel over and die.

Will buy more dogs soon.
Dogs can live quite happily on a non meat diet but would need feeding properly. Cats are unable to do so though.
 
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