Distasteful vegan TV ad

[413x]

You consume dairy though right? your "homestead" lifestyle isn't how the vast majority of people obtain their food is it.

I grow some veg at home because im lucky enough to have the space..... I don't expect everyone to be able to do this.


Most animals are factory farmed, so most animals never see the light of day.

Do you think keeping a sow pig inside for 2yrs in a farrowing crate is "humane", and do you not think putting her piglets into a gas chambers at 6 months old is perhaps animal abuse?

You're not ok with animal cruelty, but you pay for it.

Il post an example of industry propaganda from a recent investigation.

Look at the image on their website, (note its conveniently in maintenance mode) then look at how some of their hens live...

Bird Bros Eggs

Celebrating 50 years as glorious as our eggs! East Anglia’s leading egg producer and supplier, processing more than 200 million eggs a year for our customers across the UK. How do you like yours?

birdbroseggs.co.uk

Uncovering a Rotten Industry: Bird Bros Exposed

We uncovered the grim reality of despair, death and decay at a colony cage egg farm.

www.animaljusticeproject.com

The images of chickens in the states they are breaks my heart.
I'll dig out (if I can find it) pics of my rescue hens when they first arrived.

Found them. These are the ones they can rehome. There are many that are just too broken/sick to rehome

 

[flea.rider]

The images of chickens in the states they are breaks my heart.
I'll dig out (if I can find it) pics of my rescue hens when they first arrived.

in the states .. ours are a little better looked after .. and yes they taste better for it .. same as the beef there not injected with god knows what ... talk about the food i eat plz from the uk .. china is a lot worst than the states .. ffs they cook fish that are still alive ...

 

[Devilman]

You consume dairy though right? your "homestead" lifestyle isn't how the vast majority of people obtain their food is it.

I grow some veg at home because im lucky enough to have the space..... I don't expect everyone to be able to do this.


Most animals are factory farmed, so most animals never see the light of day.

Do you think keeping a sow pig inside for 2yrs in a farrowing crate is "humane", and do you not think putting her piglets into a gas chambers at 6 months old is perhaps animal abuse?

You're not ok with animal cruelty, but you pay for it.

Il post an example of industry propaganda from a recent investigation.

Look at the image on their website, (note its conveniently in maintenance mode) then look at how some of their hens live...

Bird Bros Eggs

Celebrating 50 years as glorious as our eggs! East Anglia’s leading egg producer and supplier, processing more than 200 million eggs a year for our customers across the UK. How do you like yours?

birdbroseggs.co.uk

Uncovering a Rotten Industry: Bird Bros Exposed

We uncovered the grim reality of despair, death and decay at a colony cage egg farm.

www.animaljusticeproject.com

"Most animals are factory farmed, so most animals never see the light of day."

Do you know this for a fact, or are you just assuming as you did earlier with regard to pig farming?


"Do you think keeping a sow pig inside for 2yrs in a farrowing crate is "humane", and do you not think putting her piglets into a gas chambers at 6 months old is perhaps animal abuse?"

Do I think it's humane? No.

Do you know for a fact that all sow's are kept inside for 2 years in a farrowing crate, or are you again just regurgitating propaganda you've read / heard elsewhere, given your previous comments regarding the pig farming industry?


I am not remotely interested in your frothing propaganda, nor your assertions that "seen one pig farm, seen them all".

I am all for further increases in animal husbandry regulations and severe penalties for those breaking said regulations.

I am however, not for rabid frothing propaganda monkeys who just a few short years ago were happily chomping down burgers, to now sit there arrogantly judging others as if they are superior to them.

 

[adidan]

in the states .. ours are a little better looked after .. and yes they taste better for it .. same as the beef there not injected with god knows what ... talk about the food i eat plz from the uk .. china is a lot worst than the states .. ffs they cook fish that are still alive ...

Lobster? Crayfish? They go into the pot wriggling over here too.

 

[413x]

"Most animals are factory farmed, so most animals never see the light of day."

Do you know this for a fact, or are you just assuming as you did earlier with regard to pig farming?


"Do you think keeping a sow pig inside for 2yrs in a farrowing crate is "humane", and do you not think putting her piglets into a gas chambers at 6 months old is perhaps animal abuse?"

Do I think it's humane? No.

Do you know for a fact that all sow's are kept inside for 2 years in a farrowing crate, or are you again just regurgitating propaganda you've read / heard elsewhere, given your previous comments regarding the pig farming industry?


I am not remotely interested in your frothing propaganda, nor your assertions that "seen one pig farm, seen them all".

I am all for further increases in animal husbandry regulations and severe penalties for those breaking said regulations.

I am however, not for rabid frothing propaganda monkeys who just a few short years ago were happily chomping down burgers, to now sit there arrogantly judging others as if they are superior to them.

I lived on a pig farm.. Its not pleasant life for them. They lived on pens with probably 5m *5m with many pigs. Ie more pig than space if viewing from above.
A smidge of natural light for the lucky ones.

Obviously they were living on mucky straw. Which got cleaned out, but that many animals, it's not the nicest.

They lived thier lives in those conditions

 

[jigger]

You consume dairy though right? your "homestead" lifestyle isn't how the vast majority of people obtain their food is it.

I grow some veg at home because im lucky enough to have the space..... I don't expect everyone to be able to do this.


Most animals are factory farmed, so most animals never see the light of day.

Do you think keeping a sow pig inside for 2yrs in a farrowing crate is "humane", and do you not think putting her piglets into a gas chambers at 6 months old is perhaps animal abuse?

You're not ok with animal cruelty, but you pay for it.

Il post an example of industry propaganda from a recent investigation.

Look at the image on their website, (note its conveniently in maintenance mode) then look at how some of their hens live...

Bird Bros Eggs

Celebrating 50 years as glorious as our eggs! East Anglia’s leading egg producer and supplier, processing more than 200 million eggs a year for our customers across the UK. How do you like yours?

birdbroseggs.co.uk

Uncovering a Rotten Industry: Bird Bros Exposed

We uncovered the grim reality of despair, death and decay at a colony cage egg farm.

www.animaljusticeproject.com

Have you actually done anything about any of these horror stories?

 

[robfosters]

Johno and his gas chambers again.

 

[Tony Edwards]

Johno and his gas chambers again.

Is that you Elon?

 

[413x]

Pigs usually only go into crates for Farrowing (or they did back on my grandparents farm)

But this is a typical (of the time anyway) pen.
Sometimes in thier lives they'd be more crowded. Others less.

But on average this was the life

Not my pic. And this is actually nicer than what I was used to.

 

[visibleman]

Most animals are factory farmed, so most animals never see the light of day.

How are you defining 'most'? Within the UK, globally, certain regions?
And have you got a non-biased source to back that up please?

But this is a typical (of the time anyway) pen.

Is that typical of the UK?

Edit - Seems that picture is of a Danish pig farm. Seems a bit different to the pig farm a few miles away from me where they've got around 5-10 acres to play around in outdoors as well as a huge barn.

 

[andybird123]

You consume dairy though right? your "homestead" lifestyle isn't how the vast majority of people obtain their food is it.

I'm not the one dictating to other people what they should do though am I?
Or throwing up muh environment as a reason knowing full well my lifestyle is 8 times more damaging than the one I'm criticising.

My dairy consumption is still a tiny fraction compared with your lifestyle. Even if I was consuming shop bought meat my life is 8 times less based on your own figures.

I've actually done things to reduce my/my family's impact on the world and I get to live my life how I choose because of it. Your trying to tell other people what to do but at the same time doing stuff knowing full well you're adding to the problem.

You're just a massive hypocrite.

Do you eat avacados or mangos or fake meat?

Why the vegan diet is not always green

The vegan diet is widely regarded to be better for the planet than those that include animal products, but not all plant-based foodstuffs have a small environmental footprint.

www.bbc.com

 

[413x]

How are you defining 'most'? Within the UK, globally, certain regions?
And have you got a non-biased source to back that up please?


Is that typical of the UK?

Edit - Seems that picture is of a Danish pig farm. Seems a bit different to the pig farm a few miles away from me where they've got around 5-10 acres to play around in outdoors as well as a huge barn.

That's a very small proportion. Very small Most are in pens of one for or another.

Maybe rules have changes, but that picture is better conditions than on my grandparents farm only a few years ago.

Apparently 10 million pugs are slaughtered a year in the UK.

 

[adam cool dude]

Johno and his gas chambers again.

Literally me in Suffolk today having a 45 minute break on the A134 with a load of pigs. Not the life Johno is preaching. Anyone who lives in Suffolk/Norfolk area will know these are everywhere around that region.

It did get me salivating a bit but luckily there was hot belly fat on a plate when I got home from work.

 

[StriderX]

How long is that going to last though?

Can't really compete with some of these countries we're getting 'deals' with if that keeps up.

 

[Malevolence]

Just like every other major problem facing humanity, they can all be resolved if everyone just stuck to a one child rule for a generation or two.

But nope, we've got families with as many as 8 kids. We need a cull tbh.

Was watching a news program the other week and they had a woman in the Chad who was about 9 months pregnant, already had 15 kids and was living under a tarpaulin under a tree. And she wasn't an outlier either, there were bloody thousands of them like that. Now, I don't know about you, but if my situation was such that I lived under a tree, relied on a muddy puddle for water and UN rice hand outs for food I'd either keep my legs together or learn to take my deliveries around the tradesman's entrance.

 

[StriderX]

Not that it's relevant but the life expectancy and economy for Chad is hardly conducive to having a limited number of children.

 

[Johno please?]

"Most animals are factory farmed, so most animals never see the light of day."

Do you know this for a fact, or are you just assuming as you did earlier with regard to pig farming?


"Do you think keeping a sow pig inside for 2yrs in a farrowing crate is "humane", and do you not think putting her piglets into a gas chambers at 6 months old is perhaps animal abuse?"

Do I think it's humane? No.

Do you know for a fact that all sow's are kept inside for 2 years in a farrowing crate, or are you again just regurgitating propaganda you've read / heard elsewhere, given your previous comments regarding the pig farming industry?


I am not remotely interested in your frothing propaganda, nor your assertions that "seen one pig farm, seen them all".

I am all for further increases in animal husbandry regulations and severe penalties for those breaking said regulations.

I am however, not for rabid frothing propaganda monkeys who just a few short years ago were happily chomping down burgers, to now sit there arrogantly judging others as if they are superior to them.

Yes most animals are factory farmed, this isnt even controversial, how many pigs and chickens do you see roaming the countryside?

Not judging anyone yes I used to pay for it, who would I be to judge, but now I know better.

Don't take my word for it then, it takes about 30seconds to check what I say is true. This is what I don't understand, you affirm that "farmers for the most part look after their animals" yet you haven't bothered to look into it.

Pig welfare

Being kept in intensive conditions has severe health and welfare implications for pigs.

www.ciwf.org.uk

Pig Welfare - Facts About Pigs | RSPCA - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk

Pigs are intelligent animals and have complex needs that should be met in their farm environment. Find out more about pigs and their natural behaviour.

www.rspca.org.uk

I also literally showed you some industry propaganda, which you've ignored and then claim im spreading propaganda by simply describing what happens to most pigs in factory farms.

How are you defining 'most'? Within the UK, globally, certain regions?
And have you got a non-biased source to back that up please?


Is that typical of the UK?

Edit - Seems that picture is of a Danish pig farm. Seems a bit different to the pig farm a few miles away from me where they've got around 5-10 acres to play around in outdoors as well as a huge barn.

Yes, most as in the majority, see many chickens outside do you? I've seen pigs outside twice in my life.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/23622/pdf/

Have you actually done anything about any of these horror stories?

Yea I did the biggest thing anyone can do, I stopped supporting the industries. And recently started street outreach.

 

[gingergundog]

As I understand it the land that is used by cows, sheep etc has excellent quality soil and can lock in carbon well. I don't know how that compares to crop field? What happens when those fields are no longer grazed and used for crops instead? Ignoring the morality of meat production but from an environmental point of view it almost seems like a potential to upset the balance.

Maybe a mixed farming idea is the way to go.

Just throwing some stuff out there...

 

[Jokester]

Everytome I see that advert with the piglet I get an overwhelming urge to have a bacon roll

 

[jigger]

Yes most animals are factory farmed, this isnt even controversial, how many pigs and chickens do you see roaming the countryside?

Not judging anyone yes I used to pay for it, who would I be to judge, but now I know better.

Don't take my word for it then, it takes about 30seconds to check what I say is true. This is what I don't understand, you affirm that "farmers for the most part look after their animals" yet you haven't bothered to look into it.

Pig welfare

Being kept in intensive conditions has severe health and welfare implications for pigs.

www.ciwf.org.uk

Pig Welfare - Facts About Pigs | RSPCA - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk

Pigs are intelligent animals and have complex needs that should be met in their farm environment. Find out more about pigs and their natural behaviour.

www.rspca.org.uk

I also literally showed you some industry propaganda, which you've ignored and then claim im spreading propaganda by simply describing what happens to most pigs in factory farms.




Yes, most as in the majority, see many chickens outside do you? I've seen pigs outside twice in my life.

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/23622/pdf/

Yea I did the biggest thing anyone can do, I stopped supporting the industries. And recently started street outreach.

Did it work?