Distasteful vegan TV ad

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413x said:
I'm afraid to tell you the standards are not great. And not high enough.
By that I mean you would never allow your dog (as a dog owner this goes for me) to live in these conditions. It's brutal.

Particularly for pigs and meat birds.
Dairy is also grim. One of the worst apparently.


Unfortunately the standards don't go far enough.

In an ideal world, the animal would live a relatively natural life, outdoors, without genetics which promote discomfort.
They would be killed cleanly.. And not in slaughter houses. Many animals are intelligent enough (especially pigs) to know what's going on.

No idea how we get away from slaughter houses. That part is super grim. Animals missing being stunned etc.
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The answer to that isn’t veganism though. Exchanging one problem for a bigger more unsustainable problem just adds to the list challenges. Moral blackmail isn’t helping anyone.

The natural world isn’t going to make an exception for our feelings. We are witnessing the consequences of previous generations actions, as our future generations will witness ours. Our children and grandchildren may forgive us, but the natural world will not.

The frustration in all this is we have held the ability to avoid this situation for decades and should have much greater freedom of choice.
 
Just like every other major problem facing humanity, they can all be resolved if everyone just stuck to a one child rule for a generation or two.

But nope, we've got families with as many as 8 kids. We need a cull tbh.
 
Diddums said:
Just like every other major problem facing humanity, they can all be resolved if everyone just stuck to a one child rule for a generation or two.

But nope, we've got families with as many as 8 kids. We need a cull tbh.
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That's how I justify trans Atlantic holidays!
I'm not having any kids!
I've got a lot of carbon credits to use!
 
Diddums said:
Just like every other major problem facing humanity, they can all be resolved if everyone just stuck to a one child rule for a generation or two.

But nope, we've got families with as many as 8 kids. We need a cull tbh.
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Yeah, every aspect of life needs to be considered.
413x said:
That's how I justify trans Atlantic holidays!
I'm not having any kids!
I've got a lot of carbon credits to use!
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You haven’t. My grandfather's cashed those credits in. I would pay you back, but I’ve been scrounging off everyone’s great grandchildren for decades. My apologies.
 
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413x said:
A full vegan would not wear leather shoes.
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well thats the point it's a fad .. and working in restaurants you do see it quiet often
413x said:
Vegan fields kill everything??
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where food for vegans are grown all insect and animal life are destroyed .. more so in the states just incase something is swept up during harvesting
 
Diddums said:
Just like every other major problem facing humanity, they can all be resolved if everyone just stuck to a one child rule for a generation or two.

But nope, we've got families with as many as 8 kids. We need a cull tbh.
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ahh no this atm is really bad .. theres not enough kids to off set the older generation .. 20 yrs from now most country's will be in real **** as china is finding out ..
 
Diddums said:
Just like every other major problem facing humanity, they can all be resolved if everyone just stuck to a one child rule for a generation or two.

But nope, we've got families with as many as 8 kids. We need a cull tbh.
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Silly idea. The birth rate in this country is decreasing as it is, we don’t need to decrease it any more. Would be an economic disaster
 
flea.rider said:
well thats the point it's a fad .. and working in restaurants you do see it quiet often

where food for vegans are grown all insect and animal life are destroyed .. more so in the states just incase something is swept up during harvesting
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You'd have to be a pretty extreme vegan to go to that level. But I think there are some
 
robfosters said:
Silly idea. The birth rate in this country is decreasing as it is, we don’t need to decrease it any more. Would be an economic disaster
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Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
Will robotics/ai/automation and other future tech require less people and thus it will be less of an issue?

Or will we carry on as is, in the impossible pyramid scheme that is capitalism?

Because pyramid schemes collapse eventually. Just a matter of not being at the bottom when it does!
 
I've been watching the TV show Alone... It gave a really good example of how most people don't like killing animals but they damn sure would when push came to shove.. One guy went as far as eating squirrel eyes.
Of course none of us are going around stabbing pig to get a bacon sandwich but if you desperate and had been living off root veg for months, you'd hunt that pug down quicker than you can say BLT
 
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ChroniC said:
I've been watching the TV show Alone... It gave a really good example of how most people don't like killing animals but they damn sure would when push came to shove.. One guy went as far as eating squirrel eyes.
Of course none of us are going around stabbing pig to get a bacon sandwich but if you desperate and had been living off root veg for months, you'd hunt that pug down quicker than you can say BLT
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Agreed, morals are not in our human nature they have just been attached over thousands of years, in the same way religion and politics. They all get thrown out when push comes to shove
 
andybird123 said:
so, if 65million people gave up meat, its the same as 8 million cars off the road, so me not having a car is 8 times better for the environment than you not eating meat *slow clap*
me eating meat is even less impactful too as mine is all free range / forage fed with zero miles and I own the land they live on so its taking up 0 amount of farm land and any water use comes from our own stream
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You consume dairy though right? your "homestead" lifestyle isn't how the vast majority of people obtain their food is it.

I grow some veg at home because im lucky enough to have the space..... I don't expect everyone to be able to do this.
Devilman said:
No, I am not remotely "ok with animal cruelty" at all, whether meat production or simply pets / wild animals.

That is the very reason we have welfare standards (which can still stand to be improved).

The fact that some unscrupulous individuals may choose to operate their farms in a manner which does not comply with our welfare standards should neither be used as a judgement on everyone who eats meat, nor on the farms / farmers who most of them care greatly for their lifestock.

I would far prefer the most "humane" , natural (free-range?) reared livestock that are then killed, butchered and processed in the most painless, "traumaless" method possible.
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Most animals are factory farmed, so most animals never see the light of day.

Do you think keeping a sow pig inside for 2yrs in a farrowing crate is "humane", and do you not think putting her piglets into a gas chambers at 6 months old is perhaps animal abuse?

You're not ok with animal cruelty, but you pay for it.

Il post an example of industry propaganda from a recent investigation.

Look at the image on their website, (note its conveniently in maintenance mode) then look at how some of their hens live...

birdbroseggs.co.uk

Bird Bros Eggs

Celebrating 50 years as glorious as our eggs! East Anglia’s leading egg producer and supplier, processing more than 200 million eggs a year for our customers across the UK. How do you like yours?
birdbroseggs.co.uk birdbroseggs.co.uk

www.animaljusticeproject.com

Uncovering a Rotten Industry: Bird Bros Exposed

We uncovered the grim reality of despair, death and decay at a colony cage egg farm.
www.animaljusticeproject.com www.animaljusticeproject.com
 
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